Posted on 01/16/2015 7:20:24 AM PST by posterchild
SEATTLE (AP) — Washington's legal marijuana market opened last summer to a dearth of weed. Some stores periodically closed because they didn't have pot to sell. Prices were through the roof.
Six months later, the equation has flipped, bringing serious growing pains to the new industry.
A big harvest of sun-grown marijuana from eastern Washington last fall flooded the market. Prices are starting to come down in the state's licensed pot shops, but due to the glut, growers are — surprisingly — struggling to sell their marijuana. Some are already worried about going belly-up, finding it tougher than expected to make a living in legal weed.
"It's an economic nightmare," says Andrew Seitz, general manager at Dutch Brothers Farms in Seattle.
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So, like Nixon you believe that it was the Jews who were behind pushing marijuana onto society.
Your pot habit
I have no pot habit.
falls into the later category. It is often
But not always?
indirect theft from the productive in society.
How so? If you're referring to government assistance programs sometimes used by pot smokers, it's government doing the thieving.
Oh, so you acknowledge China got Royally screwed? *THAT* is the consequence of drugs collapsing a society. Take a good look at it. Communism would not have occurred there had drugs never been legal there. The Emperor would have remained in power and Communism would have never gotten a foothold.
I will ask again. Have you ever smoked marijuana?
I admit it. I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll.
Well now see there, you have a reading comprehension problem. I've been arguing this topic for quite a long time on Free Republic, and I don't believe I ever said that Marijuana "causes *ALL* it's users to lose the ability to exercise free will and/or turns them into serial killers."
It just does it to a lot of people who may not have had a very good grasp on reality in the first place. I'm sure there are some that can handle it without ill consequences, but we don't make speed limit signs for race car drivers, we make them for ordinary people who can't properly handle high speed turns.
The evidence appears conclusive to me that marijuana screws up a significant portion of the people who use it and this does not even address the fact that it often functions as a gateway for harder and more dangerous drugs.
I actually like when you post to WOD threads because you do far more harm to your cause than good.
I have a two sided idea of how to deal with social problems. If you cannot make them better, make them worse. They will then solve themselves.
So, in all seriousness, please keep posting away.
No worries, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. I always thought I was of average intelligence, but arguing with Libertarian pot-heads makes me feel like a freakin genius. :)
So everyone tells me when my own personal experience goes against whatever it is they wish to believe.
It's like a variation of "Who you gonna believe? Me or your lying eyes? "
For example, James Garner (the actor) smoked marijuana for almost his entire life, yet no one would call him a loser.
Not everyone has the opportunity to play "make believe" for a living. Most other people have to do real work.
What evidence, and how large a portion?
Plenty dude. What's yours? I'd be surprised if you've been deeper into that world.
Are you a certificated drug counselor?
What you want a little government certificate or something? Not very Libertarian of you. :)
No, it's very much a lie. It is a deliberate lie of misdirection.
By the 1880s, oriental-style hashish parlors were flourishing alongside opium dens, to the point that one could be found in every major city on the east coast. It was estimated there were around 500 such establishments in New York City alone.
And you are proving my point for me. 1880 is a LONG way from 1776. It is also after the Civil war, which is as I said, what primed the pump for narcotic drug usage.
I am at a loss to respond to this further. You just blew your whole argument out of the water, and I suppose the best I can do is to simply point out that your own citation disproves your own claim. Stick a fork in you, you are done.
This wasn't: 'Medicinal preparations of cannabis became available in American pharmacies in the 1850s following an introduction to its use in Western medicine by William O'Shaughnessy a decade earlier in 1839.[4] [...] As early as 1853, recreational cannabis was listed as a "fashionable narcotic".[9]'
your own citation disproves your own claim.
Wrong - I said legal and you agreed.
I have little doubt that there are pot heads at the middle/upper income levels and that you might know some. How many poor people do you know? How many poor people do you associate with?
Perhaps things are different with you, but when I was young I was taught that God is no respecter of persons and neither should we be. I do not judge people by their class, but instead judge them by their character, and it is easy to be indulgent if you have the wherewithal to afford it.
What might be tolerable for a middle income or upper income earner is poison to someone in the lower class. They simply do not have the sort of flexibility necessary to be functional pot users.
I am good friends with quite a few high income earners including doctors, lawyers and engineers, but I pride myself on my ability to seamlessly interact with the bottom rung dirt poor whom I also know. Some of my upper income friends are simply astonished regarding the stories I have related to them from the dredges of the lower class. I have been on a first name basis with the current Governor of my state, and I have also known pimps whores and drug dealers.
I take the entirety of society as it is, and do not restrict my understanding to one little segment of it. I will be surprised if you have a more comprehensive view of society than have had I.
OMG. Give me a F***ing break.
Colorado Man under Influence of Legal Pot Kills Wife
His receipt and store video revealed that Kirk bought a Pre 98 Bubba Kush Pre-Roll joint and Karma Kandy Orange Ginger, a marijuana laced candy.Shortly after eating the pot laced candy, Kristine Kirk, 44, called 9-1-1 to report that her husband was hallucinating and frightening her and their three children. During her call, she told the police dispatcher that her husband had asked her to get the gun from their safe and shoot him. When she refused, she told the dispatcher that he was retrieving the gun. Twelve minutes into the emergency call, the dispatcher heard a gunshot over the phone and then the line went dead.
When police finally arrived at the house, Kristine was dead from a gunshot to the head and Richard was ranting and rambling to himself.
http://lastresistance.com/5506/colorado-man-influence-legal-pot-kills-wife/
Oh, please. Just admit I was right and you were wrong and let's move on.
Try that with Plutonium, Anthrax or Sarin and let me know how that works out.
I see you never responded to this point: Do you have any idea how many pot users are psychotic killers? Just about none of them.
You must be high now. I've previously listed half a dozen or more psychotic killers who smoke(d) weed.
If psychotic killers smoke pot, they are within the Venn diagram of pot smokers, therefore some pot smokers are psychotic killers. As a matter of fact, near as I can tell, most psychotic killers smoke pot, if not all of them.
No it isn't because it's shortsighted and infantile. It negates to note the consequences of indirect damage caused by people "doing their thang" which is a real cost of doing business in a society.
It is a simplistic slogan for simple minds, but it is not an accurate or sensible philosophy of government. Government cannot be neutral in the struggle between good and evil, it must take a side or it will be swept away along with any populace so foolish as to follow such a governing philosophy.
What, you believe in magic? You think this stuff happens overnight? No my friend, the dying is yet to come, but when it gets here it will more than make up for the delay i'll wager.
Oh, and for what it's worth, i've known several people who ended up later as bodies lying in the ditch. They all started with weed and ended with Meth. One O.D.ed. One shot. One killed from a wreck she had while high.
A convicted felon might go back for pot use, but nobody is there for that as their only crime.
There is another circumstance. It is a common tactic for District attorneys to offer a plea bargain to a lesser drug charge rather than go to the trouble of a trial for more serious charges. I've read that many people sentenced to prison for "possession" charges are generally guilty of much more serious crimes, but it is easier to get them to plead out on the lesser drug charge. In this light, Possession charges are misrepresenting what is actually going on in the legal system.
In the same manner that Islam is a religion of Peace and it is a coincidence that there are so many violent events which happen to be caused by followers of Islam.
Marijuana is the point of the spear. The rest of the spear will follow if the point is allowed to penetrate. By what rational argument could you deny it?
Do you have any examples where banning marijuana saved a society from itself?
Do you have any examples where an inch was given that did not result in the loss of a mile?
Trained and certificated drug counselor. What's your qualifications on the subject of drug abuse. I'd be surprised if you've done anything but debate the subject on the internet. :)
What you want a little government certificate or something?
Actually, it's a certificate issued from a college upon completion of their drug abuse counseling program.
Now, it's your turn. You said you've done 'research'. Where is it? Let's read what you wrote. :)
Don't believe it? Remember RobertPaulsen? Look around.
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