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Senators Back Bill To Ease Hiring of Foreign High-Tech Workers [Betrayal!!]
YahooNews ^ | January 13, 2015

Posted on 01/13/2015 4:03:31 PM PST by Steelfish

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To: Steelfish

Hey American students — be sure to go into debt getting that STEM degree so your government can screw you from both ends at the same time by allowing foreign indentured servants to take the job you were counting on to pay back the loans ... and be sure to thank these RINO liars personally every chance you get.


41 posted on 01/13/2015 5:27:17 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: faithhopecharity
"Many tech companies strongly prefer Chinese engineers and Indian programmers"

That's right - you just don't see them trying to bring engineers and scientists from Germany, Great Britain, Japan, or any other country where the wage rate is equivalent to the US.
42 posted on 01/13/2015 5:35:22 PM PST by indthkr
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To: Steelfish
I have employed foreign high tech workers. I am very leery to do that anymore. Typically, they work well until near their visa is set to expire, then they ask for financial aid to help pay the humongous cost of special immigration attorneys who help them with their paper work. The last time I went through this game the attorney showed my worker that he really needed a 50% raise in pay. I showed my employee a survey done within this state by a trade association that listed salary ranges for most of the engineering fields of people employed. I also showed my employee a different government produced survey that said his current salary range was appropriate.

His attorney said that he absolutely needed to have a significant raise to show the critical need for his skills or he wouldn't have a strong case to make to immigration.

At that point he started immediately looking for other employers. He really didn't perform after that.

This high tech worker thing is a scam all the way around from the attorneys that benefit to the foreign workers looking for a way to get into and stay within the US.

43 posted on 01/13/2015 5:49:07 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Steelfish

H1B / Free Trade / Chamber of Commerce bump for later...


44 posted on 01/13/2015 5:56:13 PM PST by indthkr
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I will NOT disagree with you...indeed, they bring few engineers from Germany, Japan, etc.

But they don’t really pay their imports from the PRC very low wages. (There was one report last year about a little company paying super-low wages to some Indian imports...)

Most of the time, they seem to pay their Chinese imports fairly well. At least, wages that many, many capable American engineers would work for, if only the “American” companies would offer them the jobs.

Therefore, IMHO, I do attribute some accuracy to the (admittedly anecdotal) statments of several corporate managers....displaying a prejudice for the supposed work ethic of the Chinese, etc........and an even stronger prejudice against ...what they perceive or believe...is an extremely poor work ethic amongst many American engineering graduates.

Just the slant on this that I’ve observed most often, is all. It all does bring back memories of Irwin Feerst’s crusade....


45 posted on 01/13/2015 6:03:01 PM PST by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..)
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To: Robert357
"This high tech worker thing is a scam all the way around from the attorneys that benefit to the foreign workers"

Bingo

Check out the political donations made by immigration attorneys, and their PACs to politicians that support unlimited caps on H1B visas. They're nothing more than human traffickers with graduate degrees.

An additional dimension of the scam that you may have not looked into yet also includes real estate. Amnesty and H1B legislation are about putting bodies in buildings in order to bootstrap the overpriced real estate valuations in certain regions (commercial and residential). I'm sure California is at the top of the list...
46 posted on 01/13/2015 6:04:49 PM PST by indthkr
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To: colorado tanker

Or instead of hiring foreigners, we could just start hiring Americans. I hear there’s almost 93 million people without a job, surely we could hire some of our own.


47 posted on 01/13/2015 6:10:20 PM PST by EvilCapitalist (It's better to die free than live as a slave)
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To: faithhopecharity
"But they don’t really pay their imports from the PRC very low wages.

I'm sure they don't initially...they have to payoff their immigration attorneys, probable student loans, as well as rent, in what is probably a region with overpriced real estate (Bay area, etc). But the company obtains value from that locally...
48 posted on 01/13/2015 6:21:19 PM PST by indthkr
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To: Steelfish

My corporation has imported half the country of India. These execs would sell their mama for a quick buck. Traitors!


49 posted on 01/13/2015 6:25:21 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

Change the demographic and you change the country. Indian religion, culture, manners, and rituals are unassimilable in western societies.


50 posted on 01/13/2015 6:29:50 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: indthkr

one additional ingredient...
many, many of the Chinese immigrants bring all-cash to purchase those hyper-inflated little used tract houses you referred to...... you know, the $6,000 shacks of Yore that the Chinese all-cash bidders (mostly) have pushed up to $2 million?

so a lot of the PRC imports don’t need the very highest wages here.... but still and all, the companies don’t seem to pay them noticably less ... the firms just love to hire them in preference to Americans, is all....

another thing to consider.... (and this may be a benefit for America generally, you decide)... a few years back the local sh*t-rag (”newspaper”) reported that the majority of new startup companies in SillyCon Valley are now created and run by (mostly) immigrants from the PRC

there’s a lot going on. Its just that, whether you look at leadership or management or technical level hiring, Americans are increasingly excluded

A fuller analysis (exact reasons) escapes me. Sorry. Just observing ...is all ... and its been well-known for years....just getting more so in the last 4 or 5 years, is all.


51 posted on 01/13/2015 6:30:15 PM PST by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..)
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I really have no problem with the Indians, actually pretty nice folks.

I loathe my government and corporate execs for this. Stabbing Americans in the back.


52 posted on 01/13/2015 6:47:56 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: faithhopecharity
"the majority of new startup companies in SillyCon Valley are now created and run by (mostly) immigrants from the

It's not surprising that foreigners are starting and running the new tech companies. Most native-born American business majors no longer have the educational background, work ethic, much less the brainpower to start and run these kinds of companies.

Another thing to remember is this - engineering is a team sport. Most people prefer to play with teammates that look like them, think like them, and share common beliefs and culture.
53 posted on 01/13/2015 6:49:11 PM PST by indthkr
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foreigners starting new businesses ... is not limited to engineering firms....
it includes, quite prominently in fact, new restaurants, cleaners, mini-marts, gas stations, you name it...

its almost the only economic growth going on at all (depending on location, of course)


54 posted on 01/13/2015 7:28:06 PM PST by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..)
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To: Steelfish

I am a technical trainer, MCT, and I teach high-level technical courses: System Center, Exchange, SharePoint, Apache, and lately Azure and Office 365.

This STINKS!

I continue to see students with GREAT skills, who are eminently trainable to new technologies, get the shaft and NEVER get hired. Resumes go out, application web site filled in and sent—never get a single call. Yet Orin Hatch says there are no Americans to do the job? LIAR.

I think I could personally come up with thousands of eligible AMERICAN engineers to do these jobs without EVER having to go outside the country looking for talent. Multiply this by every state and municipality and you’d have hundreds of thousands of trainable talented people.

The catch?

They’re older, have families, expect benefits a normal father and husband would get... AND they’re NOT recent graduates, but rather men who are at the prime of their talents and just need a little knowledge of the new stuff, which would only take a few weeks at most.


55 posted on 01/13/2015 7:46:19 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Steelfish

Good thing I am working on my own company.
If they don’t get EUV working, semiconductors are going to start dying.
AMD is already close to dead


56 posted on 01/13/2015 8:24:04 PM PST by Zathras
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To: Steelfish

Certain constituents behind “Senators Back Bill To Ease Hiring of Foreign High-Tech Workers.”


57 posted on 01/13/2015 8:25:37 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: colorado tanker
"These are the people we want. Present policy gets it backwards, keeping out talented people with money"

Likewise, talented Americans shouldn't think twice about relocating to foreign countries to work for companies based there. That's just free trade don't ya know.
58 posted on 01/14/2015 7:23:27 AM PST by indthkr
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