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Paris Attack Puts Western World in a Bad Spot
Townhall.com ^ | January 9, 2015 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 01/09/2015 6:33:43 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Awgie

Without the hate, the normal experience of meeting cultures is to be a melting pot.


21 posted on 01/09/2015 7:13:11 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Waiting for “Maybe this tragedy will make us more mindful of the hurtful nature of satire when it is applied against oppressed religious minorities”.


22 posted on 01/09/2015 7:16:10 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: deadrock

I have to disagree, but let us hope.


It already is. That’s why I say it. More and more people are coming around. It will hit critical mass, and then collapse completely.


23 posted on 01/09/2015 7:17:07 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: AppyPappy

You won’t get that from me... the reaction to Hebdo was way beyond the pale. It bespoke rage, not righteous anger. Putting it in a different way, not all hates are the same.


24 posted on 01/09/2015 7:19:44 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: cuban leaf

I’d make it easy for someone like Hebdo to defend themselves in place as they believed necessary. I wouldn’t necessarily appoint government goon squads to watch over them.


25 posted on 01/09/2015 7:22:06 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: RedStateRocker
Even a dozen 747’s are not going to destroy the USA, but sending the government into martial law and causing the people to turn against it, that is what the intent and danger is/was.

Exactly right! And the West seems to lack the nerve to do the rough work that is required to forestall a total clamp down. Ultimately, the sheeple will demand it.

26 posted on 01/09/2015 7:22:28 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Even yet, the option to call on the Lord always remains. Forces of evil cannot yet rise above that.


27 posted on 01/09/2015 7:25:28 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
“Without the hate, the normal experience of meeting cultures is to be a melting pot.”

Ridiculous! Even under optimal circumstances where immigrants are encouraged to leave their regressive ideologies and embrace and assimilate with the Host Culture, the immigrants tend to live, work and mingle with themselves.

America has always welcomed and benefited from immigrants who came here with the understanding that Americans are Constitutionally guaranteed Liberties and America is superior and Exceptional.

Thanks to Leftists, immigrants are now encouraged to come here and celebrate the cultures which oppressed them and from which they flee. They are taught that America is a bad country full of evil white rich guys who want all their stuff.

Multi-Culturalism is a specific cause and a font of continuing chaos. Your focus on "Hate” is ridiculous and shows a lack of analytical thinking.

28 posted on 01/09/2015 7:27:38 AM PST by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I had high hopes that the result of 9/11 would have been a deep national repentance for the abortion holocaust. Oceans of innocent blood cover this land. God will not hear prayer while such is the case.


29 posted on 01/09/2015 7:28:41 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Kaslin
Resurgent Islam will eventually destroy progressivism and usher in the return of western nationalism.

The silver lining in all this Jihad crap.

30 posted on 01/09/2015 7:37:24 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Kaslin

Goldberg’s point is why it is helpful to have a little understanding of the various sects of Islam.

We are at war with salafism — the sect of Sunni Islam that regards strict imitation of Mohammed and the first seven Caliphs in all matters of law and religious practice (but I repeat myself*) as absolutely incumbent upon all Muslims — and salafism is at war with the entire non-Muslim world and a goodly part of the Muslim world (which is why Muslims call the most hard-line salafis “takfiri” — a word meaning they will declare Muslims who aren’t salafis to be apostates) as well. The Da’ish (a.k.a. IS, ISIL, ISIS) and all the sundry groups that have sworn allegiance to it, Boko Haram, the Taliban (or at least the hard-enders in the Taliban) and Al Qaeda with all its affiliates are all salafi movements.

For the rest of the West, for the Muslims who are under attack from such movements, and for Russia, this point is very easy to see. For America and Israel it is muddied by the fact that we are in a cold war and Israel in a proxy war with another Islamic sect, the Ta’ajili sect of Shia Islam which controls Iran.

I can give a long list of Muslims sects with whom we are not at war, starting with the Ismailis (who follow the Aga Khan) and the Zaidis, but also including orthodox (non-Ta’ajili) Twelver Shi’ites and non-Salafi Sunnis best exemplified by Sunni imams who take their marching orders from the Hashemite King of Jordan (but, who unfortunately don’t really constitute a well-defined sect for lack of a Caliph, and therefore are susceptible to “radicalization”, i.e. turning into salafi jihadists, as a result of an increase in religious fervor) and the (tiny) Qu’ran-only movement.

*Islam is first and foremost a body of law, and religious practice and law are essentially identical in Muslim thought.


31 posted on 01/09/2015 7:38:04 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I think LePen winning the next French election is a foregone conclusion now.


32 posted on 01/09/2015 7:38:54 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Kaslin

They imported far too many Muslims. It was only a matter of time and numbers for France. I’m surprised it has been as peaceful as it has been for so long.

They are all in for it from here on. All we in the USA can do is take notes and hopefully not follow their mistakes.

1.6 billion Muslims on the planet and growing rapidly. If only 10% are active ‘extremists’ that’s enough for big trouble. 160 million. Plus, probably 50% tacitly condone what the 10% active extremists are about.

It’s a numbers game.

They can say all day that not all Muslims are extremists and violent, and that’s true but beside the point. They don’t all have to be violent. Ten percent is enough to create all sorts of mayhem.

The greater overall number you import into your midst the greater number of extremists willing to do violence (and their tacit supporters) you are importing. It is simply comes down to numbers.

France never crunched the numbers.


33 posted on 01/09/2015 8:07:29 AM PST by Lorianne (fed pork, bailouts, gone taxmoney)
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To: Awgie

I think you’re being incoherent.

It’s hate that turns strangers into balkanization. And leftists are great at ginning up such hate in the form of absurd demands.


34 posted on 01/09/2015 8:08:08 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: dfwgator

It will certainly boost her chances. The lefties of France have shown themselves powerless to keep order.


35 posted on 01/09/2015 8:10:55 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Awgie

Your so called analysis fails to include the heavenly. It doesn’t even rise to being wrong.


36 posted on 01/09/2015 8:12:16 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: don-o

As an evangelical I approach this from a different angle. People are going to need to permit Christ to be Lord of their own lives, one by one. It sounds grand to say the next logical step is to do something heroic about abortion, but if our own houses are zeroic we cannot do anything heroic.


37 posted on 01/09/2015 8:14:54 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Why can't you say Multi-Culturism is a failed concept? Is this too specific for you? HATE is a general term and is of no use in trying to fix blame and find a solution.

You seem to be reluctant to condemn MC’ism. Makes me wonder who you are trying to protect. It wouldn't be Islam would it? Just wondering...

38 posted on 01/09/2015 8:17:05 AM PST by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: Awgie

Read the bible, would you, before babbling about how hate is such a general term.

You might be surprised to find that it can be used quite sensibly.

It depends again on what cultures. If they are all variations of the Western Christian worldview, or those who respect it today such as certain Oriental societies, they will be able to transcend their differences. Some will not play nice. They will never melt into the pot.

The very fact you utter such an evil suspicion turns the mirror on you, not me.


39 posted on 01/09/2015 8:24:01 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Kaslin

Goldberg is wrong that the West has no good options. It has very good and very obvious options, like ending Muslim immigration and deporting as many of those they’ve already made the mistake of admitting as they can.


40 posted on 01/09/2015 9:16:16 PM PST by Aetius
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