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GOP Tensions Escalate After Speaker Vote
The National Journal ^ | January 7, 2015 | DANIEL NEWHAUSER

Posted on 01/08/2015 3:27:46 AM PST by Timber Rattler

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To: ziravan
I didn’t leave the GOP. They left me.

I left the GOP Tuesday January 6th 2015 having been registered to vote as GOP for 55 years.

141 posted on 01/08/2015 11:18:45 AM PST by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: cripplecreek
ossing people like Mia Love and Trey Gowdy overboard at the first sign of weakness.

Trey has always been an amnesty pimp, some took longer to figure it out, than others.

142 posted on 01/08/2015 11:27:14 AM PST by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: lakecumberlandvet
and nine in the Judicial Branch

Actually only 5 in the Judicial Branch and of course they are aided by a bunch of lesser gods.

143 posted on 01/08/2015 11:30:46 AM PST by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor
the GOPe tossed him overboard.

Led by none other than John Boehner, scum that he is.

144 posted on 01/08/2015 11:32:15 AM PST by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: rodguy911
we might have a long shot at improving things in the house.

Next time right?

145 posted on 01/08/2015 11:34:41 AM PST by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: CitizenUSA
I understand the anger, but I don’t understand how we make things better by walking away.

If enough Conservative changed party registration to deny the GOP majority status they could force the GOP into a coalition arrangement. Then and only then will conservatives have any power to change things.

Fifty Five Years as a registered Republican now registered Independent.

146 posted on 01/08/2015 11:42:07 AM PST by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Truth29

The cause of Liberty will be furthered by complete destruction of the GOP....our children and grandchildren must not see us voting for a party that is weak and compromised.

We need to teach them strength and honor.


147 posted on 01/08/2015 11:43:10 AM PST by roses of sharon ("Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." Luke 23:43)
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To: CitizenUSA

The GOP hate you with a passion, they hate your values, they mock your religion, they work with the MSM/Dems to defeat your Conservative candidates and Conservative legislation.

You have already been kicked out, your Conservative officeholders have already been marginalized, your Party has already walked away from you.


148 posted on 01/08/2015 11:52:42 AM PST by roses of sharon ("Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." Luke 23:43)
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To: itsahoot

The big government betrayals of conservatives have been going on all along. CRomnibus and Boehner aren’t new phenomenon. EPA, No Child Left Behind, Medicare D, TARP, all GOP ideas.

What changed was the TEA party. At first the GOP were gleeful. Here was their recipe for 2010, and it worked. Beautifully so.

But then.

Well those tea party conservatives actually expected a change in the status quo. Something had to be done before that got out of hand. It’s not like the establishment wants to look so cutthroat in their behavior towards conservatives. It’s bad optics, as they say. It’s that they don’t have a choice. They have to put down the rebellion within their party.

The problem with the tea party is that it sharpened the attention of the GOP base. The things taken for granted (voting for the rule but against the bill and then having it both ways) aren’t part of the “sausage-making” any longer. Somehow, the tea party got off track because her members were growing intolerant of the excuses for maintaining the status quo. Instead of simply helping the GOP win elections, the tea party was trying to change the GOP from within! Imagine the impudence!

No. Something had to be done.

The difference between 2010 and 2014 is that the establishment has learned that they have quite a bit of latitude to undermine conservatism and still get votes from conservatives. Isn’t that the lesson of the 2014 election?

Isn’t it?

What has happened since Nov is simply putting the lesson of the 2014 election into practice. Conservatives are on the GOP plantation. Stop worrying about the optics, put down the rebellion, and move on.

That is how you got CRomnibus and Speaker Boehner again.

People here want to examine the electability of a third party. That’s hardly the point. It’s not whether a third party can win, but rather, can the GOP win with a major defection in its ranks.

If the GOP believes that it must court it’s base to win, they will.

Since they don’t believe that, and they have the proof of the 2014 election in their pocket, they won’t court their base.

There are only two strategies to change the status quo: out-donate the Chamber and it’s PACs, or force the GOP to be more concerned about votes than dollars.

There are two ways to make they GOP more concerned about votes. 1. Withhold votes and lose elections, forcing the GOP to adapt, or, 2. Form a third party and force the GOP to address its defectors BEFORE an election.

No third party is going to be completely independent at this point. I’ll support Ted Cruz regardless of party label.

But. Until you show the establishment you’re series, they will continue to take you for granted.

Shouldn’t they?


149 posted on 01/08/2015 12:25:58 PM PST by ziravan (Choose Sides.)
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To: ziravan
I’ll support Ted Cruz regardless of party label.

LOL right up until he disagrees with you and then he'll be a traitor too.
150 posted on 01/08/2015 12:32:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: cripplecreek

BS.

I can support someone who agrees with me 80% of the time.

I can support someone that strongly advocates for the 20% where we disagree.

What I can’t support is someone that SAYS they agree with me to get elected, but once elected makes excuses about why their votes don’t match their rhetoric.

It’s disingenuous of you to dismiss my outrage at being constantly mislead as being nothing more than a purity test.

Reagan’s comment about the 80/20 holds. Just don’t tell me you’re 80/20 to get elected when in reality, you’re 60/40. Or. 40/60.


151 posted on 01/08/2015 12:39:29 PM PST by ziravan (Choose Sides.)
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To: ziravan

At this point I’m just laughing at you so don’t waste your breath.


152 posted on 01/08/2015 1:00:08 PM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: itsahoot

Great, now I have O’Really on my ass. I’m not answering the phone. LOL


153 posted on 01/08/2015 1:08:35 PM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: cripplecreek

Ridicule is sometimes an effective counter. It’s why Alinsky considered it a key tactic. It’s also a form of deflection.

You didn’t address any point I made. You went off on a tangent about Cruz (which was at best a side point), and now you ridicule when I addressed that your observation missed the point, at best.

So now, laugh. I’m glad I could positively contribute to your day.

Ha.


154 posted on 01/08/2015 1:14:40 PM PST by ziravan (Choose Sides.)
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To: ziravan
No third party is going to be completely independent at this point. I’ll support Ted Cruz regardless of party label.

That is why I have called for the TEA party members to change their party affiliation to deny the GOPe a majority status, that would force them to come hat in hand to the TEA party conservatives, if they won't then we know for sure whom they serve.

155 posted on 01/08/2015 2:12:45 PM PST by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: itsahoot

Actually only 5
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You’re right. I stand corrected.


156 posted on 01/08/2015 2:42:07 PM PST by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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To: CitizenUSA
I also don’t understand the mentality of many who write off otherwise good representatives (who have proven conservative track records) over this one vote.

Because John Boehner will set the agenda for what bills see the light of day and what bills won't. We can't and we won't have change with him calling those shots in the house of Reps. That is TOP OF THE LIST and comes before any other issue because no other issues will ever be addressed. Bohner is Pelosi in a suit is that clear enough to justify the outrage? There will be no change because K-Street and USCOC set congressional agenda now.

This isn't simply about party infighting it's about the very survival of the United States as we once knew it to be. The GOP Congress just got voted in and gave a huge middle finger to Conservatism. Sound familiar? We've had a couple of post Reagan administration GOP POTUS do the same. For that? Well we have Obama and all the abuses of powers those presidents and a Two House GOP Majority gave him. Mad? Hell Yes!!! I'm madder than hell.

The GOP is a corporate Party. Corps can take bankruptcy, shaft the taxpayers, and CEO's still receive millions of dollars. For what? If you or I get seriously injured or face catastrophic illness we the private sector citizens thanks to the new unBiblical Bankruptcy reform laws will pay till we die. Who is the number own owner of Congress? That's an easy one indeed. The Insurers Lobby. The most corrupt and unethical business that exist in this nation. Now do you think Boehner is going to de-fund Obamacare? Sometimes people have to be reminded of the GOP's unfaithfulness and sellouts. They are Ho's same as their friends across the aisle only a Ho is more honest about who they are and what they do. They make no pretenses as what they are.

157 posted on 01/08/2015 4:20:21 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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