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‘You’re Either a Cop or Little People’: The American Police State in 2014
The Rutherford Institute ^ | 12/30/2014 | John Whitehead

Posted on 01/05/2015 5:13:37 AM PST by Dick Bachert

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To: bike800
"The sad fact is...the people have been screaming for a police state without even realizing it"

I agree with you. The cycle of civilization. We are on the downhill side of it, where decadence and apathy reign, and as a result we get the government we deserve.

I'm not anti-cop as some might claim, I appreciate your service and am on your side, as long as it's on the side of the Constitution. Stay safe.

61 posted on 01/05/2015 11:23:27 AM PST by semaj (Nothing will change until lying becomes an extremely dangerous & expensive habit.)
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To: TexasGator

That’s fighting back. Of course, I’m not sure that’s the course they should take. They’ve been living in a socialist world for decades. Along with plenty of whites.

If a black commits a crime and the police are called it’s only natural the cop will question black peoplel who fit the description. But to drive up to someone walking down the street and ask to see their papers is wrong. It’s going to be done to all of us soon.


62 posted on 01/05/2015 12:43:37 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (Obama voters are my enemy.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

“That’s fighting back.”

No. It’s looting and anarchy.


63 posted on 01/05/2015 12:59:00 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: semaj

I will say this. The new recruits that we (older cops) see coming I to the job have a very different view of police work. I am a training officer and the first thing I give my trainee is a thumb drive with the fourth, fifth, and sixth amendments...along with policies. Va Legal guidelines. It seems that they have a hard time wrapping their heads around the concept that there are some things that police just can’t do. No kidding on this...I work in a college town. We get creamed in breaking and entering a every school break. So we try to get as much foot patrol in those off campus housing areas as possible. Well, one enterprising young officer went around checking doors to the homes and apts. if he found one unlocked he made entry into the house and looked around. He wrote a report that the doors were unsecured. We pulled him aside. I told him if I go to the store and left my door unlocked...and he went in my house I would sue the shit out of him. Unbelievable


64 posted on 01/05/2015 1:29:44 PM PST by bike800
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To: bike800

I wonder how much of that is crappy education, or an upbringing with helicopter parents and no developed sense of personal boundaries and limits, or just general cluelessness.

Things might have turned out worse here in Texas if somebody was taking a nap in that home and their handgun was close by when they woke up startled...


65 posted on 01/05/2015 4:39:48 PM PST by L,TOWM (Is it still too soon to start shooting?)
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66 posted on 01/05/2015 6:24:54 PM PST by null and void (The aggregate effect of competitive capitalism is indistinguishable from magic)
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To: bike800

Excellent point, and one that I had never considered.
I hadn’t thought about people abusing the 911 systems because of the easy access to phones now.


67 posted on 01/06/2015 9:33:20 AM PST by FBD
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To: SunkenCiv
Yes, it has happened.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/21/cops-arrest-jogging-woman-because-she-couldnt-hear-them/

68 posted on 01/06/2015 12:54:07 PM PST by wastedyears (I may be stupid, but at least I'm not Darwin Awards stupid.)
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To: wastedyears

Yeah, that’s just like the Third Reich.


69 posted on 01/06/2015 1:45:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Waywardson

Thank you for the kind words. Be safe.


70 posted on 01/07/2015 9:45:54 AM PST by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: L,TOWM

“Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; if it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it.” — Judge Learned Hand, 1944


71 posted on 01/07/2015 10:31:41 AM PST by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: SunkenCiv

OK, great use of sarcasm. Just so I’m clear, the time to actually resist in all ways, legal or otherwise, comes when they start marching people into the camps or shoveling them into the ovens?

Would it not be more prudent to resist with all means when the rulers have “only” gone so far as to:

Create a regulatory system when your privately owned business only exists at the sufferance of the nearest regulator?

Legally enforce you how much water can go through your commode with each flush or what kind of lights you can use in your home?

Make choosing to not serve a particular customer for your business is a hate crime?

Fining (oh excuse me, “taxing”) you for not purchasing a particular product or service?

Decides that another private citizen is entitled to property you own because a city likes what he plans to do with the land compared to what you are currently doing with it?

Charges a rancher exorbitant fees for the privilege of drinking water and grazing on land that the rancher owns?

And then kills cattle that the rancher owns while sending in dozens of armed people to surround a family home in an effort to collect the debt?

When blue line special after blue line special creates a law enforcement system that knows it will never be held accountable as long as it keeps the peons in line?

Really? Are you another person that that lives in a nation that has does all this and a lot more, and then reads my tagline and says to himself; “Yep! Way too soon.”


72 posted on 01/08/2015 6:06:41 AM PST by L,TOWM (Is it still too soon to start shooting?)
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To: L,TOWM
Nobody wants to really admit where this is headed.


73 posted on 01/08/2015 6:24:21 AM PST by Robert Teesdale (III% | 4GW)
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To: Graybeard58

I’m not anti-police. As one who has worked for local government for 25 years (and no, I will not have some golden parachute retirement) i have witnessed first hand the change in police officer personality from friend and unneighbors to entitled spoiled children who have perfected union thug tactics to increase their pay and benefits, flaunt the laws they are sworn to uphold, intimidate the citzens with gestapo like tactics, and then laugh about it all this back in the inner sanctum of the police station.

Look at any city or county budget and you will find that they average in the 70% range of all general fund expenses. If you try to cut budgets to control spending they file grievances and force the city in to mandatory arbitration to extract more funds. They claim all of this is for public safety and the detractors are soft on crime or trying to protect the bad guys. Just go into your local city hall and ask for payroll records and you will be shocked to learn that the highest paid employees are not the department managers eating from the government trough, but the overtime sucking hogs on the police force who are only in it for the money and power.


74 posted on 01/08/2015 6:55:03 AM PST by shotgun
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To: Robert Teesdale

So now we get to see what species is created when an ostrich is bred with a sheep. And reap the consequences of their vote counting just as much as the ones cast by those that love their liberty as much or more than life itself...


75 posted on 01/08/2015 9:34:54 AM PST by L,TOWM (Is it still too soon to start shooting?)
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To: L,TOWM

Again, another response NOT to what I said, or what the op-ed said but more straw men. The op-ed is a cop-bashing op-ed. That’s all that it is.


76 posted on 01/08/2015 10:51:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yeah, actually in your comment at #69 you made a nice use of sarcasm in response to the article that described the woman arrested while jogging because she could not hear them to obey their lawful commands...

The question still stands — how much more control are you willing to give the authorities before you say “Enough”? Depending on what goes on with my career over the next few months, I may be there pretty soon.

A government which empowers an agency that can determine at their whim that you now persona non grata in a profession you have spent 25 years, and done that acknowledging that you did not cause anyone harm, is not a government I can obey and support any longer. I must say that I am fortunate though — I did not get shot when I was putting up little resistance I could to their actions...


77 posted on 01/08/2015 4:42:04 PM PST by L,TOWM (Is it still too soon to start shooting?)
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