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Firearms legislation review - A small price to pay to avert murder
irishexaminer.com ^ | 1/2/2015 | unknown

Posted on 01/03/2015 8:37:02 AM PST by rktman

Every time someone runs amok in an American school or university campus, or even an idyllic Norwegian holiday island or a quiet Scottish border town, killing at random but for no obvious purpose, one simple truth is underlined:

If the killer did not have access to high-calibre, semi-automatic weapons they might not have exacted such a bloody toll.

Sandy Hook Elementary School, where 20-year-old Adam Lanza shot and murdered 20 children just two years ago is just one of many, many examples of what can happen when unbalanced, out-of-control people step over the line between their simmering Rambo fantasies and atrocity.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; guncontrol
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Ah yes. The lame old "high-calibre" meme. Go pick on the IRA, asshats.
1 posted on 01/03/2015 8:37:02 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman
If the killer did not have access to high-calibre, semi-automatic weapons they might not have exacted such a bloody toll

Reject the premise.
Lack of access will never be possible no matter what laws are passed.

Deal with the perp - not the inanimate object.

2 posted on 01/03/2015 8:43:23 AM PST by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: rktman

These tragedies are nothing compared to what would happen with a disarmed populace.


3 posted on 01/03/2015 8:44:18 AM PST by Any Fate But Submission
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To: rktman

Put the criminals in jail.

Guys with 2 page rap sheets need more prison time.


4 posted on 01/03/2015 8:47:32 AM PST by G Larry (Amnesty imposes SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL immigrants & minorities)
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To: Any Fate But Submission
These tragedies are nothing compared to what would happen with a disarmed populace.

This is the central premise of an armed citizenry. When the innocent are disarmed the criminal are in full control.

A disarmed people is a vicitimized people. Disarmament is the first step in the establishment of every tyranny in history. An armed people do not tolerate criminals or tyrants.

5 posted on 01/03/2015 8:49:19 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: rktman

Would more gun control stop the muzzies from chopping off the heads of innocent people?

The guilt is with the person, not the tool.

Even idiots can understand that concept.

Too bad liberals can’t grasp it.


6 posted on 01/03/2015 8:50:54 AM PST by Iron Munro (Conservative Epitaph: Don't Cry For Me , You Still Have Two More Years Of Obama)
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To: rktman

These numb nuts have no clue how many bolt action rifles have been standard military issue in modern times. If they did they’d want to ban them also.

Oh wait, they do want to ban them also. After they ban semi autos.

The real story here is that the government worshipers want us to have nothing more deadly than sling shots as deterrents to tyranny.

How many thousands of years of so called “mass shootings” will it take to equal one Pol Pot??

I don’t recall any libs wanting to ban military hardware (and assistance) for the police after they slaughtered the Branch Davidians. How many died there??

The real truth is that liberals are always lying when they claim liberties must be surrendered to save lives. The *cheapest* commodity in the world to the left is human life. Plain and simple. They do not give a damn about human life. They pretend to when it furthers their despotic agenda.


7 posted on 01/03/2015 8:56:31 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: rktman

Any caliber that starts with a two is not “high.”


8 posted on 01/03/2015 8:57:19 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: grobdriver
Lack of access will never be possible no matter what laws are passed.

This is not, in and of itself, a very good argument.

It's exactly the same one liberals use to argue against border fences and other attempts to prevent illegal entry.

We can't ever stop 100%, so there's no reason to try to reduce it at all.

By similar logic, we should remove laws against murder and rape. Such laws will never be 100% effective, so why have them?

I strongly support 2A. I'm just pointing out that this is not a particularly valid line of argument.

9 posted on 01/03/2015 9:00:30 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: rktman
A small price to pay to avert murder

Wrong on several counts. As others have noted, you won't ever be able to deny access to firearms any more than you can deny access to any other product/substance that is "banned."

But this phrase in particular is wrong on two counts.

First, disarming the populace is not in fact a small price to pay. It is an erosion of freedoms and the ability to defend ones self. This is not in any way a "small" price to pay because it will lead to murder on a large scale. (google the 50+ million people killed in the 20th century - by their own governments after having been disarmed by those self-same governments)

Second, it will not avert murder. In fact so-called gun-control will increase violent crime. This is born out by both common sense and actual data collected from places (from cities to states to entire countries) that have tried it. After disarming the victim pool violent crime rates - including murder - increase and remain higher. Duh! Workplace safety for criminals...

10 posted on 01/03/2015 9:06:34 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: rktman

Here is what i want to say to the author of this ridculous article:

Hey Dumbass

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack

The 2014 Kunming attack was a terrorist attack[3][4][5] in the Chinese city of Kunming, Yunnan, on 1 March 2014. The incident, targeted against civilians, left 29 civilians and 4 perpetrators[1] dead with more than 140 others injured.[4][6] The attack has been called a “massacre” by some news media.[7][8][9]

At around 9:20 pm local time, a group of eight knife-wielding men and women attacked passengers at the city’s railway station.[10] Both male and female attackers were seen to pull out long-bladed knives and proceed to stab and slash passengers. At the scene, police killed four assailants[11][12] and captured one injured female. In the afternoon of 3 March, police announced that the six-man two-woman group had been neutralized after the arrest of three remaining suspects.[1][8]

Wow a whole bunch of people killed with KNIVES!!!!


11 posted on 01/03/2015 9:08:12 AM PST by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: Any Fate But Submission
These tragedies are nothing compared to what would happen with a disarmed populace.

Hitler took the guns, Stalin took the Guns, Mao took the guns.....

12 posted on 01/03/2015 9:09:52 AM PST by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: G Larry

[ Put the criminals in jail.

Guys with 2 page rap sheets need more prison time. ]

But but they had a father that didn’t love them, quick give them a 32nd chance and let them out of the po po....

/heavy sarc


13 posted on 01/03/2015 9:10:53 AM PST by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: rktman

Blame the gun?
That is like blaming the auto makers for drunk driving deaths.


14 posted on 01/03/2015 9:11:58 AM PST by hadaclueonce (Ethanol is stupid.)
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To: rktman

The guy in Norway had purpose. Went right after the people ruining his country. Killing their kids was inexcusable and unforgivable, but he knew who he wanted to hurt, and why.


15 posted on 01/03/2015 9:17:44 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: hadaclueonce
Blame the gun? That is like blaming the auto makers for drunk driving deaths.

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16 posted on 01/03/2015 9:23:42 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Much violence and crime can be explained by the Bell Curve (Bing it))
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To: rktman

Why is it so difficult for the left to understand the only way to protect against an idiot with a firearm is a confidant trained individual with a firearm?


17 posted on 01/03/2015 9:24:29 AM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

A worthwhile reference, no need to Google, it belongs on this thread:

20TH CENTURY DEMOCIDE
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM


18 posted on 01/03/2015 9:39:32 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: rktman
Where would Ireland be without "illegal" rifles? Is Erskine Childers now to be considered an Irish criminal for using his yacht Asgard to secretly land 900 German Mausers at Howth in 1914? And what of all the Volunteers who went on to use those rifles? And what if it never happened?
19 posted on 01/03/2015 9:39:50 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Firearms ownership here, and even in Ireland is an expression of individual freedom. Our preexisting right is important enough to be written into law in our Constitution. Its unfortunate that other Common Law countries don’t have it.

Gun controls are just one more tool of control by the ruling elite over the population.


20 posted on 01/03/2015 9:54:42 AM PST by Sasparilla
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