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Missing plane Fox News presenter 'suggesting link between metric system and plane's disappearance'
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Posted on 12/28/2014 2:54:06 PM PST by Oliviaforever

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To: TADSLOS
yup, for awhile... best work all the OT they can 8^)
41 posted on 12/28/2014 4:32:38 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

Who knows, all that cash flow could pay for accounting classes.


42 posted on 12/28/2014 4:37:32 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: virgil

They do move cattle on airplanes, as freight. A friend of mine had the unenviable task of cleaning up the corrosion caused by cow urine.

http://www.livestockexpress.com/livestockexpress/air-freight/

But, I think it is mostly breeding stock:

http://www.aircargonews.net/news/single-view/news/cattle-die-on-atlas-air-freighter.html


43 posted on 12/28/2014 4:52:06 PM PST by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: PLMerite

The fuel sensor was inoperative. So, ground crew used an approved method to measure the tank with a dipstick. But, he screwed up the calculation converting the measurement into fuel remaining.

Someone posted a link about the mishap earlier. You can find the details there.


44 posted on 12/28/2014 5:03:40 PM PST by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: vladimir998

Those cultural differences show up in military tactics as well. The U.S. trains our pilots to think and act. Many other cultures are trained to check with higher authorities for approval to act.

That is the point. By the time they might have been given permission to change course they were done for. A US pilot would probably have changed course and then asked for permission.


45 posted on 12/28/2014 5:38:54 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: Oliviaforever

It worked the first time - now they know how to get away with it....


46 posted on 12/28/2014 5:40:43 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: TADSLOS
LOLOL!!! hello MBA!
47 posted on 12/28/2014 5:46:04 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Oliviaforever

She’s asking a fair question; just didn’t frame it very well.

In the aftermath of the Korean Air 747 crash on Guam in 1997, it was determined that the first officer and flight engineer knew the captain was off glide slope and too low on final approach. But, in the Korean culture it was unthinkable that the “junior” first officer—let alone a flight engineer— would challenge a senior pilot in the cockpit. The situation was made worse by the captain’s domineering personality and failure to adequately brief missed approach procedures with the rest of the cockpit crew. So, the co-pilot and FE literally watched the captain fly the 747 into the side of Nimitz hill.

After a KAL cargo jet crashed two years later—and several western airlines dropped their partnerships with the Korean carrier—KAL hired a former Delta Operations VP to change the culture. He implemented a training program that forced the cockpit crew to cross-check each other and point out mistakes. It was quite a change for the KAL crews, but the airlines safety record has improved dramatically since the 1999 crash.

Similar problems may have played a role in last year’s crash of an Asiana 777 at San Francisco International Airport. As the jet approached SFO, it was apparent the plane was on course to land short of the runway. But the captain and co-pilot did not discuss the situation and what should be done to correct it, and the accident occurred. Last month, the Korean government ordered Asiana to suspend flights to SFO for violating safety standards that led to the crash.

I haven’t heard of similar problems affecting carriers in Malaysia, but there is definitely a hierarchy in many Asian cultures that makes it difficult for subordinates to challenge superiors who are making mistakes—even in the cockpit.


48 posted on 12/28/2014 5:46:48 PM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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To: TalBlack
Hey remember the lens on the Hubble? Quite a failure to convert screw up!

That was quite a different issue.

49 posted on 12/28/2014 5:50:05 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: billorites

Now let's forget our troubles with a big bowl of strawberry ice cream!
50 posted on 12/28/2014 5:55:49 PM PST by Trillian
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To: TalBlack

putting the washers in the wrong order, that person was not paying attention, bet he did everything else right, ut felt like a complete moron

and so did the inspector who signed it off, too


51 posted on 12/28/2014 6:15:05 PM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: Oliviaforever

Was a crash in Canada number of years back - plane ran out of
fuel

Blamed on mistake whwn fueling, difference between liters and gallons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider


52 posted on 12/28/2014 6:18:44 PM PST by njslim
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To: Oliviaforever

http://avherald.com/h?article=47d74074&opt=0

How about stopping the pilot from making the correct inputs?


53 posted on 12/28/2014 8:04:59 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: njslim

You would think they would have warning light like on a car. Low fuel!
But the liter gallon would only aply when your traveling between countries what use the two different systems. Does any country in the area not use liters?


54 posted on 12/28/2014 8:12:41 PM PST by ThomasThomas (EGO venit lego tantum titulus Posteri)
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To: MCF
Has any news outlet suggested it might be Muslim terrorism?

I bet there are none that have suggested that when it should be the first obvious consideration. Even Fox is politically correct in not wanting to offend the Muslims.

55 posted on 12/28/2014 11:08:45 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: ThomasThomas

They just forgot to change their fuel burn rate as about 4x greater when they changed to metric....<;^( /s


56 posted on 12/28/2014 11:16:12 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

“That was quite a different issue. “

I remember it as someone not accounting for conversion in the arc of the lens surface (or something like that).


57 posted on 12/29/2014 5:05:16 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: PLMerite

“Doesn’t something as expensive as a 767 have a fuel gauge? And besides, I thought they measured onboard fuel by weight, not volume.”

I looked it up a little. Apparently the fuel gauges were not working (planes can still fly, depending on what is broken and whether they have a work around), so the ground crew checked manually (dipsticks), and told the flight crew how many liters there were...but the crew interpreted it as gallons...or maybe the ground crew stated gallons - either way, that was the mixup. When they do a manual check, it’s always by volume, then they convert it to weight to figure out the airplane’s characteristics.


58 posted on 12/29/2014 5:27:47 AM PST by BobL (I'm so old, I can remember when most hate crimes were committed by whites - Thomas Sowell, 2014)
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To: Oliviaforever

I am an ignoramus but this hit me.

If you draw a line from the Bermuda Triangle thru the North Pole, it hits Malaysia, but off 20~ degrees of longitude which is the inclination of the earth.

This is the old data for anti-nodal aberrations.

COINCIDENCE???

This means that the Bermuda Triangle and the Malaysian Triangle ARE DIRECTLY OPPOSITE EACH OTHER at the same longitude, offset only by the degrees in distance of the earth`s inclination. This means that the Malaysian Triangle is 20+ - 3.5 degrees [70 miles x 20~ 1200-1400 miles] south of the same longitude as the Bermuda triangle but aligned with the North Pole and the latter.


59 posted on 12/29/2014 9:51:22 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (re (`("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")))
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To: Oliviaforever

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60 posted on 05/24/2015 6:45:07 PM PDT by Chauncey Uppercrust (BLUE LIVES MATTER)
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