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Red Light Cameras, Government Greed, and the Libertarian Quandary
Townhall.com ^ | December 28, 2014 | Daniel J. Mitchell

Posted on 12/28/2014 9:36:52 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Drango
I was stopped a couple of years ago by a cop when I was on my way to an appointment, which I told him. He asked me if I knew why he stopped me? I answered no and he told me he stopped me because he couldn't read my license plate number. I had bought one of those license plate covers that protect the license plate. Over the time the clear cover had worn out.

Anyway he told me it was against the law here in Clarksville to use those covers (it was an excuse of course to increase the revenue for the police department) and told me to take the cover off after I was finished with my appointment. He didn't give me no ticked so after I got home I took the cover off

41 posted on 12/28/2014 1:00:14 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

One encounter sounds awfully low...


42 posted on 12/28/2014 1:08:06 PM PST by BobL (I'm so old, I can remember when most hate crimes were committed by whites - Thomas Sowell, 2014)
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To: Kaslin

IOW, they’re working just the way liberals want them to work.


43 posted on 12/28/2014 1:15:49 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Chickensoup

I have seen stories on the news about people in Britain smashing and sabotaging the cameras on their roadways, especially in rural areas. See Freeper dead’s post, # 21.

Here in Maine, as I’ve said, I have never see a red-light camera, but I have seen cameras at some intersections...not all, but some. The powers-that-be claim they use them to monitor the flow of traffic and/or to quickly respond to accidents. So they say....

The police here give tickets the old fashioned way...in person. Although I’ve never gotten one.


44 posted on 12/28/2014 1:23:18 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Everytime the cash register rings in a gun store, a Founding Father gets his wings.)
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To: Chickensoup

I just realized that you’re in Maine, too.

Have you seen actual red light cameras in your part of the state? I’ve never seen one anywhere I’ve been in Maine. An occasional camera, yes, but not of the red light variety.

Then again, the Maine Turnpike in my area of Maine has no toll booths, unlike southern Maine.


45 posted on 12/28/2014 1:28:44 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Everytime the cash register rings in a gun store, a Founding Father gets his wings.)
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To: arthurus

Recently I was listening to the local news on a local radio station. The news story was about a traffic light in a local town being on the fritz. The light had a couple service calls and was once again out of service. One brilliant town councilman noted that the stop signs erected at the intersection were doing an adequate job regulating the traffic and made a motion not to apply for a PennDOT grant, and install a new microprocessor-controlled, “security” camera equipped, LED traffic light with all new paving, markings, crosswalks with ADA compliant tactile warning strip curbs and audio alarm crosswalk signals...

...but to take down the light and just leave the stop signs to regulate the traffic.

Whodathunk such a SIMPLE solution might 1) be a fully effective one, and 2) be the solution that cost the least amount to the taxpayers? The motion was seconded, and the motion was approved.


46 posted on 12/28/2014 1:43:20 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: hinckley buzzard
Best just to drive within the law.

As noted by so many, they make that difficult with their cameras. When you set up a camera, one would think they wouldn't be in zones that are so slow that such a rate of speed is hard to keep without constant attention. Create a 20 to 25 mph zone, allow only 3 mph or less flex, and you have made a situation that is bordering on the difficult for drivers to actually handle, even if they do have good intent.

And quick yellow light times is another issue, and the rolling stop into a right turn. Then there are the flat out speed traps, setting a complete slowdown at the bottom of a hill from a previously much higher speed.

These are fund-raising devices. And to be honest with you, there's real problem with simply getting a ticket in the mail that says you were speeding on a freeway during rush hour with hundreds of cars around you at some point a few weeks earlier. How do you respond to that, and especially if it's just a few mph over the limit?

Were you? You don't know. You don't remember. Was it your car? Who knows really?

But it would be awful easy just to take a bunch of pictures and send them a letter demanding cash.

The Mafia probably aches that they didn't come up with this first.

47 posted on 12/28/2014 3:43:54 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: dead

“In the UK, that’s exactly what people were doing. In response, they kept hardening the cases, but the people just got bigger explosives. They were blowing them up with quarter sticks of dynamite at one point”.

Wow, where did you hear this? We could use a few ‘Cool Hand Lukes’ in the USA.


48 posted on 12/28/2014 4:45:27 PM PST by 82nd Bragger (Count to four except when in a helicopter)
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To: 82nd Bragger
Here's one:

Angry Populace Burning British Surveillance Cameras

49 posted on 12/28/2014 5:36:11 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Kaslin

Re: “A universal peeve of motorists, being fined for a harmless rolling right on red.”

Harmless?

The author must have no experience as a pedestrian.

I live in a busy downtown area and walk everywhere.

My greatest fear and most frequent close call?

People making right turns on red.

If you happen to be on the right side of their car, they are staring left, at oncoming traffic, and have NO idea you are there.


50 posted on 12/28/2014 5:54:51 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: dead

“Angry Populace Burning British Surveillance Cameras”

Cool, thanks.


51 posted on 12/28/2014 6:26:07 PM PST by 82nd Bragger (Count to four except when in a helicopter)
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To: Kaslin

ping me


52 posted on 12/28/2014 6:53:48 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: Alberta's Child

“Yellow intervals for traffic signals aren’t just pulled out of thin air. The yellow interval is computed based on engineering principles, with the travel speed of the roadway as the main factor in determining the minimum yellow time for safe stopping”

In my city, I think we have “smart” signals that go yellow when my car is about to go through the intersection. I suspect it is OK to go through, but need to make a very quick decision.

It is not too hard to imagine the light being set to change so that it is not OK to go through.

**

There is one intersection right by one police station that takes a while to cycle all three directions. One day, the light went green and bam, it went yellow. I thought it was a malfunction. The next day, bam it goes yellow, one car goes through the red. Bam, a squad car materializes. Maybe it wasn’t a malfunction.


53 posted on 12/28/2014 7:16:50 PM PST by Tymesup
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