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This has been occurring for over one hundred years. The Islamic world especially in North Africa and the Mideast has been forced to confront the challenge of Western modernity. It would seem that Islamic culture is not compatible with the values, institutions, social and scientific advances that constitute Western modernity. Ataturk understood this and remarkably, he was almost successful in transforming Turkey. sadly his reforms have been largely abandoned. In fact Islamic culture is devolving into chaos and backwardness. The barbaric bizarre jihadists can best be viewed as bewildered, medieval reactionaries who are fighting to restore the customs, practices and even dress of the 10th century. While they avidly want and use the products brought forth by the West, the states they aspire to create will be inherently impoverished, chronically violent backwaters. Rational Westerners will avoid them.

Islamic culture must go through a painful transformation if it is to survive. However the future outlook is not good. The vast majority of the people are poorly educated, impoverished and fervent. This provides an endless supply of recruits to the fundamentalists who will fight the secular progressives to the death. Although Obama was referring to the white Christians that he despises, his famous quip is relevant. The Islamic masses cling to their guns and religion. The future is not bright. Westerners make the fundamental error of projection when they ascribe to Muslims the same values they have that have resulted in their well being and prosperity.


2 posted on 12/28/2014 6:43:13 AM PST by allendale
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To: allendale

moozlums are the termites infecting civilization and civil societies everywhere.


3 posted on 12/28/2014 6:49:22 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: allendale; Whenifhow; SunkenCiv; metmom

In 2001, Turkey had 71,000 students enrolled in the imam schools. Now, there are 670,000.

Islamic teaching to six-year-olds.. Systematic Islamist indoctrination in Turkey is becoming less stealthy.

Education is the new battlefield. Turkey’s government is pushing to advance its declared policy goal of “raising devout (Muslim) generations.”

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4947/turkey-improves-education


4 posted on 12/28/2014 7:01:17 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: allendale
Islamic culture must go through a painful transformation if it is to survive

Islamic culture has survived, thrived, and conquered for 1300 years. It will conquer the West totally if the West does not resist totally and viciously. If America does not expel ALL of the Moslems within then America will not survive. Islam bids to accomplish the leftist dream of depopulating the earth. Moslem humanity cannot support population of even a third of what is now on semi arid sheep pasture which is what they will convert all the lands they conquer. They proliferate in their deserts now because of the bounty and the medicine of the West. When that is all conquered there will be no room for the existence of most of the Moslems and all of everyone else.

5 posted on 12/28/2014 7:40:06 AM PST by arthurus
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To: allendale
The Islamic masses cling to their guns and religion.

So that's who Obama was talking about?

9 posted on 12/28/2014 8:16:38 AM PST by 9thLife
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To: allendale
Islamic culture must go through a painful transformation if it is to survive

Why do you discount the possibility of their victory? They have enjoyed long periods of conquest before.

And now, they face an enemy who does not believe he can be defeated. Which, historically, is often a prelude to defeat.

16 posted on 12/29/2014 4:57:39 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: allendale

Quote: “While they avidly want and use the products brought forth by the West, the states they aspire to create will be inherently impoverished, chronically violent backwaters.”

Same can be said for Democrats.


18 posted on 12/29/2014 7:38:19 AM PST by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: allendale

“Islamic culture must go through a painful transformation if it is to survive.”

OK. It won’t go through a painful transformation, and it won’t survive. “Where there’s no solution, there’s no problem.” - Baruch Spinoza


22 posted on 12/29/2014 3:33:51 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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