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In the Absence of Fathers: A Story of Elephants and Men
These Stone Walls ^ | June 20, 2012 | Fr. Gordon J. MacRae

Posted on 12/26/2014 1:50:04 PM PST by grundle

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In the Absence of Fathers: A Story of Elephants and Men
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A Prayer for Fathers
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A Father's Tough Love
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The Transforming Power of Prayer [Part 1] (Catholic Man)
The Transforming Power of Prayer, Part 2 (Catholic Man)
The 10 Paradoxes of Fatherhood, There is a certain immediacy about motherhood that cannot
The Story of Champions [Father's Day]
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The New Catholic Manliness
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21 posted on 12/26/2014 3:41:42 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: grundle

Silly article. They just needed to medicate the young male elephants and they would have been swell. /s

Thanks for posting. It is important to point out the obvious sometimes.


22 posted on 12/26/2014 3:53:00 PM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

That’s an excellent question. However, I think there are ways to transport the bull elephants back into the park. The biggest fence keeping families apart is welfare. On the other hand, if we cannot roll back the social welfare state, the only other recourse is more government authority to round up and imprison the roving bands of young males. That, by the way, is our current approach, and it doesn’t work nearly as well as encouraging the families to stay together in the first place.


23 posted on 12/26/2014 4:05:41 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

That’s NOT what your link was about. People can read it for themselves. And as for fighting back, the problem is in the laws and courts. Men fight back with everything they have - legally - and still are denied basic rights to their own children. Women are granted absolute power through mere hearsay. And then to slander such fathers with laziness or selfishness or lack of attention to fatherhood is just vile. You posted your stinking article, so you’re bound to its lies. Don’t try to backpeddle now - it says what it says.


24 posted on 12/26/2014 4:27:51 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Salvation

AMEN!

I grew up in the kind of family where the man was the head of the household. Did that diminish my mother’s role? Certainly not! Each had something unique to give, and nothing was done in our house without my parents consulting one another!

It’s one thing if there’s a divorce, or a death, in the marriage: we don’t always have control over life’s circumstances! I do believe that every child should have a chance at having 2 parents: the parents in turn have the responsibility of creating a stable environment for the child by being committed to the other parent, and careful of whom they choose to potentially raise that child WITH THEM.

Thank you, Mom and Dad! Until we meet again in Heaven!


25 posted on 12/26/2014 5:07:55 PM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary said, "My soul doth magnify the Lord, and my spirit hath rejoiced in God, my Savior!")
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To: grundle

Bar associations and both political parties passed quite a few laws against fatherhood over the past few decades. Feminist sentiment is quite obvious in both political parties, business and academia and has been for a long time.

The economic decline is both the consequence and the answer. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


26 posted on 12/26/2014 7:19:09 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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The solution does not lie in what to do with the prison system. We need to keep dangerous criminals under lock and key, and of course, we need to stop locking people up for marijuana law violation (throwing the libertarians a bone).

What needs to be done is ridding ourselves of a system that rewards fatherless child rearing*, ridding ourselves of an education system that embraces sexual immorality, and allowing true morality to be taught, and rewarded, in schools, homes, and society in general.

Pray for revival.

*This involves not only welfare (the pathetic positive reinforcement to unwed mothers) reform, but an absolute SHAMING of irresponsible fathers.


27 posted on 12/27/2014 6:53:59 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (quod est Latine morositate)
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To: Talisker
That’s NOT what your link was about. People can read it for themselves.

I encourage anyone following this thread to do so.

And as for fighting back, the problem is in the laws and courts.

Passed mostly by men, and enforced mostly by men.

Men fight back with everything they have

In what alternate reality? Where are the class action lawsuits, or the mass demonstrations? Apart from MRAs who are fighting an uphill battle, where have men done anything but capitulate?

You want to know what men are doing with everything they have? Check out the football stadiums on Sunday. You will see men with plenty of money to spend to support MRAs, who choose to make players they don't even know rich instead.

How about prostitution? That is a 20 billion dollar a year industry in the US. How come men have so much money to spend on hookers, but none to spend on MRAs?

I know, I know, men don't account for all of it. OK, let's assume that men account for only half of that, even though we know it's way more. That's still 10 billion a year that could have been spent in support of MRAs, but made abusive pimps and expensive prostitutes rich instead.

And then to slander such fathers with laziness or selfishness or lack of attention to fatherhood is just vile.

And how many fathers do you know who have defended their sons against a school system that allows girls to kick them in the nuts for no reason?

You posted your stinking article, so you’re bound to its lies. Don’t try to backpeddle now - it says what it says.

Yes, and what it says is that men cause a lot of their own problems with their penis dictated servitude. If you want to pretend that isn't happening, then go ahead.

28 posted on 12/27/2014 10:53:05 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: CitizenUSA

Agreed.


29 posted on 12/27/2014 3:23:24 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Passed mostly by men, and enforced mostly by men.

Family and divorce court judges are hugely female, and the laws are overwhelmingly lobbied for and voted on and passed by and openly claimed for women.

...men cause a lot of their own problems with their penis dictated servitude. If you want to pretend that isn't happening, then go ahead.

Right there is literally classifying men as genitally driven animals. It is more than sexist and insulting, it's the rape of manhood and men's humanity itself through the most basic and vile lie that literally defines feminism. Or rather, to put it into your terms, it is the mindless rage of vagina dictated codependent hypocrisy and a calculated, scheming attempt to inflict emotional and psychological damage based solely on blind and collective hatred of men simply for being male.

Take your lying filth somewhere else, you feminist man hater.

30 posted on 12/29/2014 10:29:47 AM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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Family and divorce court judges are hugely female, and the laws are overwhelmingly lobbied for and voted on and passed by and openly claimed for women.

You might want to ask any divorce lawyer who represents fathers what the most common reason is when they lose. If my information is current, that reason is because the father later decides he doesn't want custody.

As for violence, I get that the court system is biased, but I know abused men can get justice from personal experience. I know of a man who not only beat false abuse charges, but got a restraining order against her. How? He had someone in his life who made sure he knew his rights and what he had to do (file charges). That someone you just called a "feminist man hater".

Right there is literally classifying men as genitally driven animals. It is more than sexist and insulting, it's the rape of manhood and men's humanity itself through the most basic and vile lie that literally defines feminism.

Interesting that throughout all of that ranting, you didn't make any effort to show where I was wrong.

Why don't you start by explaining the billions spent on prostitution instead of MRAs?

Or rather, to put it into your terms, it is the mindless rage of vagina dictated codependent hypocrisy and a calculated, scheming attempt to inflict emotional and psychological damage based solely on blind and collective hatred of men simply for being male.

Well that makes a lot of sense. I hate men, so I want them to stop spending billions a year on prostitution, and start using some of that money to defend themselves and their sons.

Take your lying filth somewhere else, you feminist man hater.

You can call my posts whatever you like, but I'll let the moderator of this forum decide what I can post here, not you.

31 posted on 12/29/2014 3:56:52 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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I hate men, so I want them to stop spending billions a year on prostitution, and start using some of that money to defend themselves and their sons.

No, you hate men so you want to teach them to hate themselves, and slander their characters, by accusing victimized fathers of being people who go to prostitutes and abandon their families.

How sick is that?

All-in-all, you promote what is one of the most depraved and vile slanders I've ever heard of against fathers. I can't even imagine the depth of rage and hatred it would take to come up with such a twisted and insane position on this subject. You're attempting to rape the very souls of all men, with an utterly consciousless completely indefensible accusations. The idea that you would stand in front of a group of fathers who have had their children stolen by the court system and tell them they abandoned their children by spending money on prostitutes is a farce - you wouldn't get out of the room alive.

If you are not the most black-hearted of feminists, I certainly can't tell the difference. Your words are the result of group strategy meetings that decided to make the most terrible accusations in order to undermine the dignity of these victimized fathers. It is a strategy of demons, made in hell, for purposes of evil.

32 posted on 12/29/2014 5:10:57 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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She can have all of the money I’ve spent on prostitutes. I think I sent Scott Brown $50 a couple years ago.


33 posted on 12/29/2014 5:12:00 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: grundle

Bump


34 posted on 12/29/2014 5:15:48 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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No, you hate men so you want to teach them to hate themselves, and slander their characters, by accusing victimized fathers of being people who go to prostitutes...

The Growing Demand for Prostitution

From that link, "Most were married or partnered, like the majority of men who patronize prostitutes."

And

"It’s a multibillion-dollar industry; it makes more money than the NFL, the NBA, and Major League Baseball combined.”

Here are some other angles.

What Kind of Men Go to Prostitutes?

Secret Service Scandal: Why Men Buy Sex

and abandon their families.

Are you referring to the reason most lawyers lose their cases? Once again you attack me without offering anything to show otherwise.

How sick is that?

The readers can be the judge.

All-in-all, you promote what is one of the most depraved and vile slanders blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Maybe I see billions of dollars spent on prostitution as a problem in itself, never mind that the money could be going to MRAs instead, and I want to discuss solutions. It tells me a lot about you that you would rather pretend it's not a problem. Maybe you're the feminist man hater whose intent is to prevent men from ever uniting and fighting for their rights by keeping them focused "elsewhere".

35 posted on 12/29/2014 6:11:13 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

I’m done with you.


36 posted on 12/29/2014 6:26:13 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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