Posted on 12/18/2014 10:13:43 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Yet again, I am not disputing the fact t that false allegations of rape happen.
The author of the original post here, blames women being raped on their lack of modesty. That is a bunch of crap. Nobody I know has ever raped a woman.
Rapists are criminals. The notion that the way a woman dresses or talks or her being drunk in any way contributes to her being raped is moronic.
This notion is akin to a liberal justifying a poor person robbing because they are poor.
They do whatever it takes to gain the attention of DESIRABLE men, and are then shocked and upset when they are noticed by men they find undesirable. Or when the desirable man is content to spend a night with them, but not to commit.
There are different kinds of “rape” these days.
There is the “knife to the throat” kind, what we used to think of as “real” rape.
Then there’s the “I would not have said yes if sober” kind that seems to come up a lot on campus.
Perhaps these women should spend less time drunk, and take responsibility for bad decisions while drunk.
Well, your knowledge is different than my witness of experiences, so I’m not as informed as you and I am prejudiced by what I have seen.
Not even close. Why is it considered "blaming the victim" to point out that certain behaviors increase the risk of becoming a victim, and to recommend that those behaviors should be changed to minimize that risk?
The fact is that for a young woman to dress in a manner intended to attract the sexual attention of men, go to a party filled with young men (who already aren't the best at impulse control) and then add alcohol to the mix places her at increased risk for a sexual encounter she may later regret. Now this may or may not constitute "sexual assault" - many of the incidents regarded as rape appear to be the result of regret of a drunken encounter rather than actual rape. But even in the case of an actual assault, to argue that the woman did not increase her risk by her behavior is ludicrous. That does not mitigate the seriousness of the crime or reduce the culpability of the perpetrator. It just recognizes a reality.
Perhaps a man shouldn’t take advantage of a drunk woman.
We are really lowering the bar for what passes as okay behavior for men.
“The best at impulse control”. Really
I couldn’t help but rape her, your honor, she was drunk and scantily clad.
If your daughter was raped while drunk, I suppose you would say that, hey she was asking for it.
You really don't bother reading what people are saying, do you?
My point, which I made quite directly, is that anyone who commits an assault is responsible for their actions, and that responsibility is not mitigated by the behavior of the woman in how she dresses or if she is drunk.
HOWEVER, the behavior of the woman can and does affect how much risk she exposes herself to. And she should be made aware of the risk and how she can minimize or reduce that risk by changes in her behavior.
Just how does a desire to teach women how to minimize their risk of becoming a victim equate to "blaming the victim"?
And recognizing that young men having impulse control problems increases the risk of bad behavior does not equate to absolving them of responsibility for that bad behavior.
Chances are both are drunk, but only the man gets accused of rape in that case.
And perhaps a man should be safe walking obliviously through an welfare neighborhood at 3am counting a wad of cash.
Often, it's just better to convince people to stop doing foolish things. Being drunk is a foolish thing.
You’re missing the point.
It’s not false accusations of rape that are the issue, but a false definition of rape foisted on the world, and especially on academe, by feminism. Call what you and I would call rape, rape 1.0, and what the feminists use as the basis of their statistic that a quarter of college women will be raped, rape 2.0.
All your objections are quite valid as regards rape 1.0: you’ve never done it, I’ve never done it, neither of us knows anyone who has, it is not actually occasioned by women dressing provocatively or getting drunk, . . .
Now, realize that rape 2.0 includes a drunken young man and a drunken young woman having sex, even with the young woman expressing enthusiastic consent in the moment, at least of the woman later regrets the encounter (think Lena Dunham’s account of her “rape” which doesn’t meet the definition of the Ohio statute and contains elements that in a court of law would suffice to prove consent), and reread the article.
I think you’re missing the point.
The title of the article says it all.
Oh, we discuss titles, not whole articles?
I’m not happy with some of the comments I’m seeing here.
Look, I know not everybody on Free Republic shares my moral values. But this is a conservative forum and the author of this article is apparently a female Army veteran. Surely that carries some credibility here.
Taking advantage of a woman while drunk is not conservative. If she’s really drunk, even if she asks for sex she’s not able to consent because her judgment is impaired. If she’s not allowed to drive, surely she shouldn’t be making decisions about going to bed.
What is conservative is saying that not having sex before marriage prevents lots of problems. If you’re not going to follow that standard, you’re going to risk lots of consequences, some of them really bad. The consequences are bad for both men and women.
Men with zipper problems need to learn their decisions have consequences. And women need to learn that not every man who acts nice to them is actually nice.
So in your world, that girl holds ZERO responsibility? Well, we are going to have to disagree in this situation. In my world, the rapist is 100% guilty of rape, and the girl is 100% guilty of acting in a very stupid and reckless manner. While I will put the rapist away (personally forcible rape should be capital offense like it used to be back in the day, IMO), I will not shirk away from pointing out that what the girl did led directly to her placing herself in a position that allowed it to happen.
Also, only a fool would say that the increased sexualization of our society has not increased the problem of rape over the past decades. This whole idea the left pushes of "I can do anything I want without repercussions" is what is killing our country.
I reject the premise that rape is on the rise. Reported rape is on the rise.
It used to be that rapes usually went unreported out of shame.
Most people understand that the title of an article indicates what it is about.
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