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‘Stand your ground’ defense fails in Montana murder trial (Markus Kaarma found guilty)
Associated Press ^ | Dec 18, 2014 2:20 AM EST | Lisa Baumann

Posted on 12/17/2014 11:57:19 PM PST by Olog-hai

Just days before he shot to death a 17-year-old German exchange student, Markus Kaarma told hair stylists he had been waiting up to shoot some kids who were burglarizing homes.

He told them they would see it on the news.

Kaarma hoped to bait an intruder by leaving his garage door partially open and placing a purse inside, prosecutors said. And when he did, a motion detector alerted him early April 27. Kaarma took a shotgun outside and almost immediately fired four blasts into the garage. Diren Dede, unarmed, was hit twice. He died after the final shot hit him in the head.

For those reasons, Kaarma’s “castle doctrine” defense, which allows people to use deadly force to protect their home and family, failed him Wednesday. A Missoula jury convicted him of deliberate homicide. …

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: banglist; direndede; lynching; markuskaarma; missoula; psychokiller
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To: Olog-hai

I’m surprised it wasn’t 1st degree murder.


61 posted on 12/18/2014 1:27:32 AM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: Deagle

Why were they there...!


62 posted on 12/18/2014 1:27:54 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: eyedigress

It doesn’t matter you IDIOT! When you entice someone into your domain with a loaded shotgun with intent to shoot them, you are in the wrong and the courts will prove it! You of course will never understand why that is wrong!! That is why you will probably eventually end up on the wrong side of the law!

UNDERSTAND? I doubt it!


63 posted on 12/18/2014 1:28:03 AM PST by Deagle
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To: melsec
I don’t believe you can set traps for people and then claim self defense when they take the bait!

Unless you are in law "enforcement".

64 posted on 12/18/2014 1:32:16 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

Exactly, and that really needs to change! Laws are to be enforced against the Police also!


65 posted on 12/18/2014 1:33:27 AM PST by Deagle
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To: Deagle

Do you promise to put down your imaginary gun when I steal everything you own?


66 posted on 12/18/2014 1:34:40 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: eyedigress

Try it and you will be met with a shotgun! See any difference here?


67 posted on 12/18/2014 1:35:58 AM PST by Deagle
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To: Deagle

No I don’t. Go to jail. You used a gun on the internet. I am bleeding inside.


68 posted on 12/18/2014 1:38:17 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: eyedigress

Ha, so funny! Oh well, I hope I got my point across anyway.


69 posted on 12/18/2014 1:39:27 AM PST by Deagle
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To: Deagle

You shot me! I wasn’t in your garage, I was picking up the 100$ bills in the alley. Bitch


70 posted on 12/18/2014 1:42:13 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: eyedigress

Actually, I like that you are making jokes now - much better than your previous hypothesis...

Have a good evening... Me, I’m gong to bed!


71 posted on 12/18/2014 1:44:41 AM PST by Deagle
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To: Deagle

Who is the victim in a case of theft?

When a trend in thefts arises in a community which is unanswered, how does one defend themselves from the criminal thief?

The smart thing to do is to make sure everything is secure and if they still seek to steal, place something to maneuver the criminals action into a place of vulnerability.

The real crux of the argument is if deadly force was authorized.

Had he simply held the thief prisoner until law enforcement arrived, he then could have been charged with kidnapping.

Theft is running rampant today. Those who continue to thieve and an economy which condones that behavior, will further degenerate as their corrupt behavior is not sustainable. In 10-20 years, the same thieves will likely degenerate into murderers. When our society condones the thievery today, it will degenerate into a criminal society which in the future will justify murder to satiate their corrupt hearts.


72 posted on 12/18/2014 1:46:40 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Deagle

Have a good rest.

When you get up and around tomorrow you should be able to well explain the reason folks were in the area that you defend so much.


73 posted on 12/18/2014 1:49:05 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: Cvengr

Straw Man! We were talking about baiting a criminal so we could take lethal action.


74 posted on 12/18/2014 1:52:08 AM PST by Deagle
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To: Deagle

I use cheese with a Franklin and just cast out over a Walmart parking lot. I’ve been practicing with a Glock 23 but sometimes the noise just scares them off.


75 posted on 12/18/2014 1:55:18 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: eyedigress; Deagle; Olog-hai
The following is an example of some guy using "bait" who himself needs to get shot -


76 posted on 12/18/2014 2:08:24 AM PST by shibumi ("Walk through the fire - Fly through the smoke")
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To: Cvengr

Here is what the moonbats don’t understand.

I can bait anything based on its habits. I can be sweet and I can be sour. I can be mean or I can be nice.

I can be clean or I can be dirty. I can be political or I can be ignorant. I can be funny or I can be boring.

I can be anything I choose and it does not always mean to be control. I gauge my interaction with people on one premise, I enjoy discussing our lives here.

John 13:34-35


77 posted on 12/18/2014 2:11:21 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: Deagle

The purpose of the law is to control the unlawful man, not to control the law abiding citizen.

It appears our judicial system prefers to prosecute the lawful man because the unlawful man is a greater risk and more difficult to apprehend.


78 posted on 12/18/2014 2:11:36 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: melsec

You can set traps like this but ordinarily they trigger a camera, a dye blast, or an alarm or something, not the death penalty.


79 posted on 12/18/2014 3:10:50 AM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 14 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: Olog-hai
They also heard hair stylist Tanya Colby, who testified that Kaarma told her during a haircut: "I've been up three nights with a shotgun waiting to kill some kids." She said he later told her, "I'm not kidding, you're seriously going to see this on the news."

I don't believe that sticking up for premeditated murderers is a value many conservatives are going to share with you. Maybe you can visit this poor innocent Kaarma in prison. I doubt he'll have many who are sympathetic to his plight beyond you....

80 posted on 12/18/2014 3:11:14 AM PST by freebilly (How about this-- we stop trying to elect the unelectable)
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