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‘Stand your ground’ defense fails in Montana murder trial (Markus Kaarma found guilty)
Associated Press ^ | Dec 18, 2014 2:20 AM EST | Lisa Baumann

Posted on 12/17/2014 11:57:19 PM PST by Olog-hai

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To: Olog-hai
We’re not at war with crime and criminals?

i do not go about looking for outsiders to come do battle on my own turf... if we are going to look at this as war, what country does that? i do what i can to keep criminals away--not draw them to me... honestly, how did it work out for this guy? and i really don't believe he got a "true" criminal off the streets... he might have, but i am not convinced... not like i am with Michael Brown's demise... in that case, i believe society is rid of a criminal who likely would have killed someone in the future... in any case, what this guy did was not worth the outcome...

161 posted on 12/19/2014 3:47:37 PM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: latina4dubya

So someone who enters a stranger’s garage at 12:30 am, or half-past midnight, is not a “true criminal”. I see.

I already told you what country looks at fighting crime as a “war”, or at least in name. This country still uses the term “war on crime” today.


162 posted on 12/19/2014 5:19:42 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: latina4dubya
BTW, don’t forget:
Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

— Ecclesiastes 8:11
The liberals’ rejection of this is one cardinal reason for the proliferation of crime. That includes Dede, Brown, Garner, Trayvon and all the rest that the media are hyping. It also goes down to the level of family, or absence thereof.
163 posted on 12/19/2014 5:39:53 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
the verse is about God's longsuffering... in that longsuffering, a "criminal" can be lead to repentance... or he could continue in his sin... but Kaarma took things into his own hands and put any chance of repentance out of play... moreover, he set it up and waited for it to happen... not unlike Abram and Sarai taking things into their own hands...

why does Kaarma wish he could go back in time and do things differently? his heart was not right when he shared his plans with others, and it was not right when he set it all up... right-thinking people do not wish to be violated... he wanted to be violated so he could punish the violator in his own way... that is not biblical...

164 posted on 12/19/2014 6:24:23 PM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: latina4dubya

There is no “longsuffering” with the criminal, hence the injunction to deal with them “speedily”. Three times in Deuteronomy the command is to “put the evil away” (13:5, 17:7 and 19:19), so that is pretty serious.

Kaarma did not set this up. It would be a setup only if he knew Dede and knew that Dede would enter his garage—at 12:30 am. Now this is precedent, thanks to Karla Painter, that we cannot defend our own homes and garages at midnight.


165 posted on 12/19/2014 6:32:39 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Open garage, lit up with a woman’s purse plainly visible while you lay in wait? Sure it is just like any other snare.


166 posted on 12/19/2014 7:10:47 PM PST by airedale
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To: airedale

12:30 am. The garage was unlit. There was no visible purse. Kaarma was not waiting in the garage. Try sticking to the facts.


167 posted on 12/19/2014 7:26:16 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
It does seem like a set up, morally and criminally wrong, as far as how the story is written (and obviously how the jury found the evidence).

While searching some info on Diren, it interested me that his mother is from Turkey and they appear to be Islamic. Here is a pic of his father in grief over the coffin:

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168 posted on 12/19/2014 7:48:53 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Cvengr

Would’nt that be wonderful if that is all that they did! Yes, I agree that the law abiding are more fearful of the police these days than the unlawful folks.


169 posted on 12/26/2014 7:11:48 PM PST by Deagle
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To: Deagle

Kaarma, seriously, that is the guy’s name Kaarma...WOW.


170 posted on 12/26/2014 7:13:37 PM PST by Kackikat ('If it talks like a traitor, acts like a traitor, then by God it's a traitor.')
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To: Olog-hai

I read he just got 70 years if you can believe it.


171 posted on 02/12/2015 2:17:46 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Obama: 11 acts of blatant treason and counting.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I can believe it. He was railroaded.


172 posted on 02/12/2015 3:22:11 PM PST by Olog-hai
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