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California needs 11 trillion gallons of water: NASA [article does not mention desalination]
yahoo.com/AFP ^ | December 16, 2014

Posted on 12/17/2014 2:23:42 PM PST by grundle

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To: vette6387

I think that building nuclear (maybe renewable) powered desalinization plants along the coast is the only answer. Fill existing coastal reservoirs from desal. Stupid to pump from the mountains to the coast where all the people are. The dams we have are sufficient for flood control and agriculture.


61 posted on 12/18/2014 6:45:42 AM PST by Mike Darancette (AGW-e is the climate "Domino Theory")
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To: taxcontrol
Solar is very costly as it is very inefficient...

You may be thinking of solar to electric, and you are right. I'm thinking of a much simpler system, like a lifeboat emergency desalination unit writ large.

62 posted on 12/18/2014 6:47:52 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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Solar evaporative works nicely.


63 posted on 12/18/2014 6:49:13 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: JimRed

Sorry, I was thinking of solar to electric as my thoughts for the thorium power plant were to produce electricity for the desalinization as well as for the grid.

But to your point, here is a wiki entry for vertical solar desalinization. Simple but effective.


Towered Desalination Plant Built in Pakistan[edit]
In 1993 a desalination plant was invented by Akhtar Iqbal Zuberi in Pakistan. Zuberi’s plant produces 40 liters of water per square meter per day. This is at least ten (10) times more productive than a conventional Horizontal Solar desalination plant. Water desalinated from this plant has 16 parts per million (ppm).[14]

The structure is a raised tower made of cement, with a tank at the top. The whole plant is covered with glass of the same shape, but slightly larger, allowing for a gap between the cement tower and the glass.

The tank is filled with saline water and water from an outside tank, drop by drop water enters the inner tank. The excessive water from the inner tank drips out onto the cement walls of the tower, from top to bottom. By solar radiation, the water on the wet surface and in the tank evaporate and condense on the inner surface of the glass cylinder and flow down onto the collecting drain channel. Meanwhile, the concentrated saline water drains out through a saline drain.

In this process fresh saline water is continuously added to the walls from the top of the tower. After evaporation, the remaining saline water falls down and drains out continuously. The movement of water also increases the energy of molecules and increases the evaporation process. The increase in the tower’s height also increases the production.

Whereas in the conventional system water that is filled remains at a standstill for several days, a condenser is provided at the top in an isolated space, allowing cold water is to pass through the condenser. The condensed hot vapors and hot water from the condenser are also thrown on the cement wall.

Different successive plants were constructed during 1960’s.

This plant’s base is 3.5 by 1.5 feet by 10 foot high, and gives about 12 liters of water per day.Built horizontally, a structured plant receives solar radiation at noon only. But Zuberi’s plant is a vertical tower and receives solar energy from sunrise till sunset. From early morning, it receives perpendicular radiation on one side of the plant. While at noon its top, gets radiation equivalent to the horizontal plant. From noon till sunset, the other side receives maximum radiation. By increasing the height, the tower plant receives more solar energy and the inner temperature increases as height increases. Ultimately this increases the water yield.

A number of experiments have been conducted and a much more productive plant has been developed, with further work continuing.

This project can be implemented anywhere there is ground water, brine or sea water available with suitable sun. During different experiments a plant six (6) 6 feet high can attain a temperature of 60 degrees Celsius, while a plant of ten (10) feet high can reach a temperature of up to 86 degree Celsius.


64 posted on 12/18/2014 6:57:26 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Mike Darancette

“The dams we have are sufficient for flood control and agriculture.”

Your premise is correct once you have the desalinization infrastructure to satisfy the bulk of your water needs. That said, using desal (because it’s more costly than impounding rainwater) as a bootstrap to your normal water system probably makes more sense because unless we are actually going to see a trend that says we will receive over the years less rain, we will not always need it.
Of course for California, getting rid of a few million illegals would be the most cost-effective way to help fix the problem.


65 posted on 12/18/2014 12:14:44 PM PST by vette6387
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To: taxcontrol
But to your point, here is a wiki entry for vertical solar desalinization. Simple but effective.

Gee, every time I think I've invented something, I find out that somebody else already did it!

;^)

66 posted on 12/18/2014 1:09:27 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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