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To: aMorePerfectUnion
No sarcasm. All laws are enforced at the threat of physical violence. Even tax laws.

I certainly know this, but the cause of death for Eric Garner is/was not a penalty for illicit sale of smokes. The cause of death was not the fact that the officer applied a blood-circulation (not air restriction) hold. The cause of death was the defiant resistance to arrest and transport magnified by the resister's asthmatic and heart condition. That method of hold is not life-threatening. And the misdirected logic of your statement, if not sarcasm, could be taken as a deliberate lie to foster sympathy for the perpetrator and shifting the blame to the officer carrying out his duty.

If in this case you would jail the officer, I believe that you have a bad case of misplaced compassion. The person who needed to be jailed was the hustler for his continuous history of disobeying the law.

In the country I grew up in - America - police were respected public safety officers, who were respectful and well disciplined to use minimum force.

If you believe in this exaggeration of the conduct of police against law-breakers, it sounds to me like belief in a fairy tale. Perhaps in your youth they were faced with fewer and less violent scofflaws threatening them. Or perhaps in your youth you hadn't yet turned on the police, and therefore only saw the response of officers to those respecting them (which is still the way they seem to be behaving toward me).

And it is an offense to me to see people incited to riot by deliberately fixing the blame in the wrong place for the wrong motivation, and by those who support that dangerous attitude toward law enforcement.

34 posted on 12/16/2014 8:45:36 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1; aMorePerfectUnion
Supposedly, Eric Garner violated a law in the presence of police, and so they must needs arrest him.

Bill Clinton and Jon Corzine violated laws in the presence of police, yet no arrests were forthcoming, nor yet were violent hands laid upon them.

Garner's mistake was being a peasant, and a slave.

36 posted on 12/16/2014 9:12:11 AM PST by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: imardmd1

“I certainly know this, but the cause of death for Eric Garner is/was not a penalty for illicit sale of smokes. The cause of death was not the fact that the officer applied a blood-circulation (not air restriction) hold. The cause of death was the defiant resistance to arrest and transport magnified by the resister’s asthmatic and heart condition.”

No. The cause is the rule that prohibits circumventing the high cost of cigarette taxes. Everything else flowed from there. All enforced with violence. He was such a threat selling loose cigs on the corner that they had to do whatever it takes to arrest him. /s

“That method of hold is not life-threatening.”

If only he had taken better care of his health, he would have fared much better while being choked.

“If in this case you would jail the officer, I believe that you have a bad case of misplaced compassion.”

No. I have no compassion for the one who resisted arrest, nor for the poorly trained and violent officer, nor the taxing authority. I would jail the officer without compassion for killing during a minor arrest issue. I would also jail the idiots who passed this law. I would fine Mr. Garner.

“The person who needed to be jailed was the hustler for his continuous history of disobeying the law.”

No. He didn’t need to be jailed. He could have been fined on a civil basis. The last thing we need is more people in jail for selling cigarettes or other minor offenses. The tax payers do not need to pay for his upkeep. He was taking care of that on his own by selling loose ciggies. One of the only opportunities for income in the Obama economy.

“If you believe in this exaggeration of the conduct of police against law-breakers, it sounds to me like belief in a fairy tale. “

Sorry, I’ve met great officers like that. Other nations do not visit violence nor incarcerate for minor offenses. Nor do they justify escalating police action to death for minor offenses.

And it is an offense to me “

Your offense may be important to you, but not interesting to others. Why waste your time being offended? You’re alive. He’s dead. You’re offended??


37 posted on 12/16/2014 10:44:20 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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