Posted on 12/15/2014 5:47:10 PM PST by Altura Ct.
Eric Garner, a 43-year-old father of six, is dead. This is a tragedy, regardless of the circumstances. We rightly mourn with his wife and children. They will never see their husband and father again, and that should break everyone's heart.
When we witness a gut-rending tragedy like this, we want to know who is responsible. Who is to blame for depriving this family of its husband and father? As the facts emerge, it becomes increasingly clear that, as tragic as this situation is, in the end the culpability for Eric Garner's death rests with Eric Garner.
To put it as simply as possible, if Mr. Garner had not broken the law and then resisted arrest, he would be alive today.
While protesters are trying to make this about race, it must be noted that the police showed up in response to complaints from black business owners. The arrest was ordered by a black officer, and the arrest itself was supervised by a black officer, a female sergeant.
A crackdown on the sale of illegal, untaxed cigarettes - called "loosies" since they are sold in singles rather than in packs - had been ordered just days before Garner's arrest by the highest ranking black police officer in the NYPD, Philip Banks.
So a black officer ordered the crackdown, black business owners called for the arrest, a black officer ordered the arrest, and a black officer supervised the arrest itself. It's also worth noting that the 23-member grand jury which refused to indict the arresting officer included nine non-white members. Ask yourself how many of those facts you have heard from any member of the race-obsessed, low-information media.
Garner had been arrested 31 times, ... His rap sheet goes back decades and includes arrests for assault and grand larceny.
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I think some good points are made.
Trayvon and Michael Brown and Garner would all be alive today if they had not behaved in belligerent antagonistic and hostile ways. If they didn’t have the ghetto attitude they would all be alive today.
But liberals won’t talk about ghetto culture or ghetto behaviors. Instead we are supposed to mourn deaths which happened for no reason per liberals views. It’s like we are supposed to be sad that these people are dead, without regard to what circumstances set up the chains of events leading to their demise.
And now -- Sharpton and his pals.
They don't like the police. They see tyranny. Michael Brown, Eric Gardner -- fine young men killed by jack-booted thugs, eh?
So where does that leave me? I'm not going to side with Sharpton. I have no problem with Michael Brown and Ferguson. I have mild but limited concerns about Eric Gardner.
Does this mean I have to drop my fear of militarized police and trigger-happy cops who hate puppies? Has Sharpton muzzled me and turned me into a supporter of the jack-boots?
I swear, it's almost like the bad guys jumped on my bandwagon in an effort to make me jump off the bandwagon and stop dissing cops.
I was with you until you said the above.
Yes, I know that you used the words "almost like".
Anyway, think of it this way. The federal and state governments want to centralize police powers away from local departments. So you get a bunch of news articles from the left, trashing the police and not giving out all the facts when an incident happens.
Beware.
I’m pretty torn on this one.
I see the dog shootings, geezer slams and home invasions; this makes me feel anti-cop because it seems these guys now have SEAL Team 6 fantasies; I see looming dictatorship.
But then I hear the much louder urban voices screaming that not letting thugs rob convenience stores or prowl neighborhoods for robbery targets somehow makes for some form of dictatorship.
I see miles and miles between those two claims and somehow can’t stand the idea of being in the Ferguson Camp.
It’s TWO huge, Traditional America-hating gangs —the Blacks and the Badges, I guess..?
I think you make great points —that feels like exactly where I am, too.
Another point is that some groups appear VERY poorly adapted to living in a Democracy. Even as they decry dictatorship it appears that that’s exactly what they need in order to get by, day to day.
It’s as if they simply can’t assume the citizen responsibilities that come with living in a Free Society, and I don’t want to get sucked down the dictatorship drain with them.
“A crackdown on the sale of illegal, untaxed cigarettes - called “loosies” since they are sold in singles rather than in packs - had been ordered just days before Garner’s arrest by the highest ranking black police officer in the NYPD, Philip Banks. “
The penalty for tax collection non-compliance is death.
Waco and Ruby Ridge were also basically tax collection efforts.
When we witness a gut-rending tragedy like this...
Garner had been arrested 31 times, ... His rap sheet goes back decades and includes arrests for assault and grand larceny.
Thirty-one arrests? Assault and grand larceny?? Yeah, this is a heartbreaking, gut-wrenching tragedy alright. I'm really torn up about it. Thank God he left six kids to carry on his work.
Frankly, I know someone who is so asthmatic that he could die on the sidewalk like Garner did or like that guy in Wisconsin, in the snow, as the cop just stood there and watched. I don’t think police know what to do to treat these people in any way, shape or form.
Hence, Holder’s line to Ferguson, “Get those tanks out of there.”
He knew what he wanted to do at both Waco and Ruby Ridge. It’s plain as day now. And yet, there he was, whispering in Reno’s ear....
The problem is escalation and criminalizing so very many offenses in our country.
We now incarcerate more people than Russia and China - combined.
I don’t even know how many swat teams are out there risking lives every day for small things.
Obviously the racist author doesn’t realize that the officer that murdered the poor, innocent, obese, lazy, husband and father was white and the poor, innocent, obese, lazy husband and father was black. Therefore no facts matter.
(raging sarcasm)
“Some people say that there's a policeman to blame, but I know,
IT'S MY OWN DAMN FAULT!”
Yes it is, oh yes it is, indeed.
You want to know what is wrong with local LEOs these days that concerns you? I doubt you have ever considered this. More and more, all local LE departments are becoming nationalized. WHAT? HOW?
The fed is handing out money, surplus equipment, favors regulations, guidelines, etc. to Law Enforcement departments and services in general. Look at the influence in Arizona with immigration and gun running. The militarization that we see creeping into our local police departments is, I believe, based on the federal influence that is being pressed around the state and local authorities that oversee these departments. Many Police Chiefs and such are "elected". There is influence when campaigns are at stake. Campaigns need money. And when an elected LEO can get special toys from Mr. Holder, they are subject to certain influences. Throw in the elected and crooked DA's that are beholden to political whims and pressure and the dots become easier to connect.
Don't forget all those bulletins Homeland Security sends out advising local law enforcement on who to be worried about, like Tea Party Terrorist types.
“I mean, they shoot dogs, right? “
You are an idiot.
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Living one’s life by prison rules only works when one is in prison. Trying it on the street is a good way to meet an early demise or a life sentence. Ghetto dwellers seem not to realize that.
Was the official police policy to kill anyone caught selling loosies? I think not. The penalty is the penalty as adjudicated through the system. Garner’s death was not the intent. It happened as a result of the escalation of the situation. I won’t lay blame for who caused the escalation.
So a BLACKofficer ordered the crackdown,
BLACK business owners called for the arrest,
a BLACK officer ordered the arrest,
and a BLACK officer supervised the arrest itself.
..the 23-member grand jury which refused to indict the arresting officer included nine non-white members.
Yup ! I can see where this became a "RACIAL ISSUE" , .... NOT !!
It becomes a "Racial Issue" only under the aegis of the FED Gov. "JUST-US" DEPT.
Now tell me that this country isn't turned upside-down !
“Was the official police policy to kill anyone caught selling loosies? I think not. The penalty is the penalty as adjudicated through the system. Garner’s death was not the intent. It happened as a result of the escalation of the situation. I won’t lay blame for who caused the escalation.”
All tax policy is carried out at the point of a sword or barrel of a gun. If you do not believe this, just keep refusing.
The police have many ways to subdue grossly overweight people without killing them. They didn’t.
Garner was violently subdued for selling ciggies. His death resulted. Police should be trained to deescalate situations, but seem to do the reverse so often these days.
all this proves, FRiend, is that you can have rational and legitimate reasons for liking some cops and not liking others, and you can have irrational and illegitimate reasons for liking/not liking cops.
just b/c people don’t like cops for idiotic reasons shouldn’t make you change your mind b/c you have rational reasons why you have problems with them.
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