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Why Your All-Electric Car May Not Be So Green
ABC News ^ | December 15, 2014 | By SETH BORENSTEIN AP Science Writer

Posted on 12/15/2014 2:48:11 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

People who own all-electric cars where coal generates the power may think they are helping the environment. But a new study finds their vehicles actually make the air dirtier, worsening global warming.

Ethanol isn't so green, either.

"It's kind of hard to beat gasoline" for public and environmental health, said study co-author Julian Marshall, an engineering professor at the University of Minnesota. "A lot of the technologies that we think of as being clean ... are not better than gasoline."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: coal; efv; electricity; energy; green; volt
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To: molson209

Like Peter Pan?


21 posted on 12/15/2014 3:23:54 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Pining_4_TX

The ag lobby does have a lot of horsepower.

The Dems were BRILLIANT when they put food stamps under control of the Agriculture Dept.


22 posted on 12/15/2014 3:24:47 PM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Like Peter Pan?

Is it a Fairy ?


23 posted on 12/15/2014 3:26:55 PM PST by molson209 (Blank)
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To: DesertRhino
An electric car is basically a coal fired car.

Where I live, it would be a nuclear-powered car.

24 posted on 12/15/2014 3:27:04 PM PST by Steely Tom (Thank you for self-censoring.)
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To: molson209

The homos love Peter Pan.


25 posted on 12/15/2014 3:28:10 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Being “green” is about being self-righteous, not right.


26 posted on 12/15/2014 3:28:51 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Good Muslims, like good Nazis or good liberals, are terrible human beings.)
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To: nascarnation

We have subsidized ethanol to the tune of billions of dollars and it hasn’t done anything but burn food.


27 posted on 12/15/2014 3:31:49 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Good Muslims, like good Nazis or good liberals, are terrible human beings.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

That is just the perfect response!


28 posted on 12/15/2014 3:32:39 PM PST by melsec (There's a track, winding back, to an old forgotten shack along the road to Gundagai..)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

How much pollution and poison does it take to build one electric car??


29 posted on 12/15/2014 3:38:12 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I tried to tell the environmental wacko’s exactly this when they originally started pushing the whole electric car thing and they didn’t want to listen.

Oh well, one thing you can count on, the left ALWAYS getting it wrong.


30 posted on 12/15/2014 3:41:30 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This study and ones like it assume gasoline powered car’s pollution starts at the tailpipe. It does not. Gasoline itself requires 6-9 kilowatts of electricity to refine plus diesel to transport the gasoline from refinery to gasoline station. Then electricity to pump from gas station tank into car tanks.

“Well to wheel” electric cars are always more efficient and less polluting. A little or a lot depending on sources of electricity for cars and refineries.

And electric cars don’t support the global price of oil. Which support Czar Vladimir, King Abdullah,Caliph Ibrahim,Ayatollah Khamenei, and President-for-Life Maduro.


31 posted on 12/15/2014 3:41:50 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: justlurking

I would prefer the 650hp 2015 Corvette Z06 or the 707hp 2015 Dodge Challenger Hellcat.


32 posted on 12/15/2014 3:47:41 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Sacajaweau

And what happens to all those batteries when those cars become junk? That will be an environmental nightmare IMO.


33 posted on 12/15/2014 3:48:36 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: deweyfrank

I’m not an ev fan, but battery recycling is a pretty well established business. In the US alone, approx 100m car batteries are recycled per year.


34 posted on 12/15/2014 3:50:59 PM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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To: golux

The LSM just getting around to parroting Rush Limbaugh without admitting he was saying this at least a decade ago.


35 posted on 12/15/2014 4:03:07 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: nascarnation
battery recycling is a pretty well established business...

Conventional yes...but lithium is a different problem.

36 posted on 12/15/2014 4:08:30 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: deweyfrank

add the lightbulbs to the mix


37 posted on 12/15/2014 4:10:34 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: justlurking
My 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid is approaching 98,000 miles. In Pocatello, ID we have extremes of weather. The consequence is that Winter yields 21 MPG. Summer yields 26 MPG. Spring/Fall yields 28 MPG. The only time it every approached the promised 32 MPG was on a very mild week in San Diego. No heater. No air conditioning. Steady travel on the cruise control. The hybrid never yielded the promised economy. The promised tax break of $3,000 turned into $1202 on my tax return, so the tax break didn't compensate for the failure to deliver economy vs the higher price tag. The leather seats are nice. The nav system was fine until the internal DVD drive failed. Replacement of the nav system would have beem $1300. We put in a nicer sound system and ditched the nav system. C'est la vie.
38 posted on 12/15/2014 4:11:52 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“But if the power supply comes from natural gas, the all-electric car produces half as many air pollution health problems as gas-powered cars do.”

OK, that makes sense to me but what if cars were fueled by natural gas. I suspect that would be better than natural gas fired turbines supplying electricity in order to charge car batteries.

We have a near inexhaustible supply of clean burning natural gas. However, the oil companies are interested in selling gasoline, so natural gas filling stations are few and far between.


39 posted on 12/15/2014 4:22:50 PM PST by CdMGuy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
a new study finds their vehicles actually make the air dirtier, worsening global warming. Ethanol isn't so green, either. "It's kind of hard to beat gasoline" for public and environmental health, said study co-author Julian Marshall, an engineering professor at the University of Minnesota. "A lot of the technologies that we think of as being clean ... are not better than gasoline."

Sarah Palin told us that...wait for it....MORE THAN FIVE YEARS AGO!

40 posted on 12/15/2014 4:27:47 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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