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Stop asking Muslims to condemn terrorism. It's bigoted and Islamophobic. (click bait)
Vox ^ | December 15, 2014 | Max Fisher

Posted on 12/15/2014 12:47:52 PM PST by C19fan

There's a certain ritual that each and every one of the world's billion-plus Muslims, especially those living in Western countries, is expected to go through immediately following any incident of violence involving a Muslim perpetrator. It's a ritual that is continuing now with the Sydney hostage crisis, in which a deranged self-styled sheikh named Man Haron Monis took several people hostage in a downtown café.

Here is what Muslims and Muslim organizations are expected to say: "As a Muslim, I condemn this attack and terrorism in any form."

This expectation we place on Muslims, to be absolutely clear, is Islamophobic and bigoted. The denunciation is a form of apology: an apology for Islam and for Muslims. The implication is that every Muslim is under suspicion of being sympathetic to terrorism unless he or she explicitly says otherwise. The implication is also that any crime committed by a Muslim is the responsibility of all Muslims simply by virtue of their shared religion. This sort of thinking — blaming an entire group for the actions of a few individuals, assuming the worst about a person just because of their identity — is the very definition of bigotry.

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TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: australia; deathtoislam; hostage; iran; islam; islamophobia; jihad; lebanon; lindt; manharonmonis; muslim; sydney; terrorism; waronterror
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To: C19fan

I don’t expect them apologize for Muslims doing what Muslims do. But, Mr Goldfinger says it better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1TmeBd9338


21 posted on 12/15/2014 1:21:11 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Boogieman

Truly a great listen to this guy speak about the coverups for Sydney seige’s muslims....and the seige itself

he tells it like it is and why...also how the left is involved in making muslims appear as victims...he brings many angles they’re working in a short interview....remarkable listen!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98HjVHp5AoU&feature=youtu.be


22 posted on 12/15/2014 1:24:59 PM PST by caww
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To: C19fan

but lets demand police apologize when acting in self defense such as the michael brown incident...


23 posted on 12/15/2014 1:25:13 PM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: caww

Leaving Islam for Christianity when you live in a Muslim country is dangerous and can cost you your life. Nevertheless, millions do every year. God bless them and protect them.


24 posted on 12/15/2014 1:27:03 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Good Muslims, like good Nazis or good liberals, are terrible human beings.)
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To: C19fan
100%
25 posted on 12/15/2014 1:38:53 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Saw this today on FR.

"A radical muslim wants to behead the infidel. A moderate muslim wants a radical muslim to behead the infidel".

26 posted on 12/15/2014 1:40:15 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: C19fan

Why...? When some guy who may or may not be a Christian goes and shoots an abortion butcher, everyone feels it is necessary to lecture every Christian about not shooting people. That lunacy went on here at FR for weeks. I guess that was anti Christian bigotry coming out.

At least Christians understand that the killer of the abortion butcher was acting against his claimed faith, despite the possible good that it did. Muslims understand that terrorism is an act of their faith, regardless of the evil outcomes. It’s a big difference, and people are curious to see how Muslims react.

That said, I freely admit my bigotry against Islam. All decent, sane people should hate Islam, and understand it to be the evil that it is.


27 posted on 12/15/2014 1:46:57 PM PST by pallis
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To: C19fan
Max Fisher is a typical foolish, low-information leftist.

He wets his pants about "Climate Change", for example. And scary, scary guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans. http://www.vox.com/2014/10/17/6988377/threats-to-americans-ranked-ebola-isis-russia-furniture

No wonder he writes such rubbish for Vox.com (a.k.a. the poster child of low-information leftists).

28 posted on 12/15/2014 1:48:36 PM PST by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: C19fan

These days, I’m actually okay with “bigotry” and “Islamophobia.”
Not being bigoted and Islamaphobic shows a lack of judgement and common sense.


29 posted on 12/15/2014 2:12:19 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: C19fan

The following is an article by Martel Sobieskey,

There is the erroneous assertion that Radical Islam is not connected with mainstream (moderate) Islam in any way, that the religion of Islam has been “hijacked by a few extremists” that the vast majority of Muslims do not agree with the Islamofascists. Such thinking is a terrible error and a grave threat to America’s national security, especially in this age of nuclear terrorism.

So what is Radical Islam and what should it be properly named? Radical Islam is actually the Islamic Military. The so-called radicals are not a fringe element; they are fully supported by the worldwide Islamic community (Ummah). If they were a fringe element, they would have been defeated long ago. The fight rages on because of strong support from the moderates both covertly and overtly. This means the Islamic Military (wrongly labeled radicals) is intimately connected with moderate Muslims who we have mistakenly labeled as innocent bystanders.

Moderate Muslims are not innocent bystanders. Moderate Muslims provide the base of operations which makes it possible for the Islamic Military to continue their terrorist operations. Hate America, demands to replace constitution with the Koran, and outbursts for Sharia law are preached openly from nearly every Mosque in America under the guise of freedom of speech and religion. Freedom of speech and religion has morphed into a weaponized tool of Islamic psychological warfare which is defeating America’s will to protect her national security. Any American who says Islam is less than perfect may become the victim of an unfair lawsuit by a “moderate” Muslim organization.

Why can one be so certain about this fact? The answer is the Koran. The Koran fuses together both moderates and their military. No Muslim dares to contradict the Koran because the penalty is — death and loss of personal salvation. The moderate Muslims of every nation, including those in America fully support their Islamic military because worldwide conquest is the primary religious duty of all Muslims. Fellow Americans if you believe that your local Muslims are not secretly harboring in their hearts an agenda for the conquest of America by Islam then you are dead wrong, and understand nothing about the Koran.

Moderate Muslims may not carry weapons and murder innocent people hands on, but they play the role of “wolves in sheep’s clothing”. Moderate Muslims use two primary strategies to make conquest for Islam. The first is dawa, which is influence peddling, “wining and dining” and manipulation. You make conquest by “pleasing” your opponent, “buttering them up” — bribery and back room dealings are common place. There is a “ton” of Muslim oil money buying preferential treatment for Islam in America. The second is taqiyya, which is outright deception and lying. Deception and lying to infidels as a strategy of conquest is one of Islam’s most valued “weapons”, a precedent set by the prophet Mohammed himself. Americans hear this deception everyday with proclamations that “Islam is a religion of peace.” This phrase is an excellent example of successful psychological warfare which has caused Americans to let down their guard, and made us very vulnerable to future terrorist attacks, even possible nuclear attacks as several experts have pointed out.

Recent history proves that the “so called peaceful Muslims” work as a team with their Islamic Military. They immigrate to a country touting what peaceful law abiding citizens they are, establish themselves, build mosques, increase their numbers and “bingo” terrorists acts start occurring in the host country. Do the attacks in Spain, England, France, Thailand, Bali, the Philippines, Holland, Sweden and the USA ring any bells here? All these attacks have been preceded by the establishment of moderate mosque communities which in turn became footholds from which the Islamic military could launch their terrorist attacks. The larger the percentage of Muslims that occupy a country the greater the havoc they wreak. The situation is directly proportional. Reducing the percentage of Muslims that dwell in the host country is the most effect way of stopping terrorism. Western governments must evaluate this fact very seriously if they wish to win the war against Islamofascism long term.

Have we Americans become gullible fools? As long as we fail to deal aggressively and comprehensively with the intimate Koranic connection between the moderate Muslims and their Islamic military we can never stop the terrorist attacks. Have you ever wondered why, so numerous the complaints worldwide, that Muslims are not assimilating into their host nation? It is because they are not there to assimilate — they are there to conquer the host country for Islam as their Koran requires. Fellow Americans please read the Koran for your self. Don’t take my word on it. You will learn first hand that anyone who tells you that Islam is a religion of peace is insulting your intelligence. The Penguin Classic edition, The Koran, translated by the Arab Scholar N. J. Dawood is a well respected version having sold over a million copies worldwide.

The best description of the symbiotic Koranic relationship between the moderates and their military comes from the Muslims themselves. They have a saying, “the poisonous fish swim in the sea”. The “poisonous fish” are the militants and the “sea” is the moderate mosque community. For example, for their 9/11 operation, the Islamic Military (poisonous fish) used the Al Farouq mosque in New York as the “sea” from which they “swam” to pulverize the trade towers. The next poisonous fish may be swimming from the sea of your local Mosque community with a nuclear explosion. Wake up Americans we are not fighting with bows and arrows anymore. We must take aggressive preventative measures to stop the Islamic military’s “euphoric” obsession to make a nuclear attack on American soil.

It is a great mistake to continue calling the Islamic military radicals because the term “radicals” has blinded us to think that the moderates are not in cahoots with their Islamic Military. In so doing we have violated the primary dictum of warfare which is to know and understand one’s enemy. Consequently, we have failed to understand that the Islam of Osama Bin Laden is main stream Islam – not a radical fringe. Osama Bin Laden is one of the generals of the Islamic military which is fully supported by the worldwide community of moderate Muslims, including American Muslims. Both moderate Muslims and their military have the same goal which is the Islamic conquest of the entire world — this is the primary religious duty of all Muslims as required by the Koran. Americans desperately need to understand this fact if they wish to protect their country from great harm.


30 posted on 12/15/2014 2:32:11 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but damned near all terrorists are Muslims. It’s not a coincidence.

More than half of muslims support terrorists or their goals.

31 posted on 12/15/2014 2:44:12 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: C19fan
The implication is that every Muslim is under suspicion of being sympathetic to terrorism unless he or she explicitly says otherwise.

Is not an implication, is the actual teachings of Islam, you disgusting, crawling worm of a sandal-licking apologist coward.

32 posted on 12/15/2014 2:59:19 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: dfwgator
Extremists Muslims want to behead the infidels.
Moderate Muslims want Extremist Muslims to behead the infidels.


33 posted on 12/15/2014 3:06:56 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Bulwinkle

Islam demands forced conversions. Isn’t that a threat to free people everywhere? As soon as Muslims make up a certain percentage of the population, they start using force. It happens every time and in every place. I’ll believe there is such a thing as moderate Islam when I churches being built in Saudi Arabia.


34 posted on 12/15/2014 3:27:16 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yes, but my reference is to non-Christian Muslims who come here and into other countries.


35 posted on 12/15/2014 3:30:51 PM PST by caww
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To: Ouderkirk

Well worded article....

I will add that the Koran, the other two books Haddith and Surah, are equal in their teachings to a Muslim.....even if they say not.

Muslims like to seperate the teachings and choose what they want to believe....thus the branches of Islam today....yet their basic teachings of Jihad and Shariah Law are encompassed in all three....that does not change.


36 posted on 12/15/2014 3:47:44 PM PST by caww
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To: C19fan

He needs to tell this to his commie pals who insist all Christians are guilty and need to apologize when a kook kills an abortionist or when they tell all whites to apologize for slavery in American history (while Muslims still enslave Africans).

Why can I see all sides (whether I agree or not) and yet liberals only see and hear the side they are on? I’ve tested liberals I know before, and they can not accurately express the conservative view on any issue. They can not go past slogans.


37 posted on 12/15/2014 4:48:49 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: C19fan

“Stop asking Muslims to condemn terrorism. It’s bigoted and Islamophobic.”

So then, when do we go hunting?


38 posted on 12/15/2014 5:37:18 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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