All hail the Butlerian jihad!
Then of course, comes the problem of the stopping Omnius (Evermind), Erasmus, the Cymek (Titans) and the Thinking Machine Overlords from taking over in the first place:
Posted on 12/11/2014 6:57:30 AM PST by C19fan
In the Year 2525 from 1969
In the year 2525, if man is still alive
If woman can survive, they may find
In the year 3535
Ain’t gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lie
Everything you think, do and say
Is in the pill you took today
In the year 4545
You ain’t gonna need your teeth, won’t need your eyes
You won’t find a thing to chew
Nobody’s gonna look at you
In the year 5555
Your arms hangin’ limp at your sides
Your legs got nothin’ to do
Some machine’s doin’ that for you
In the year 6565
Ain’t gonna need no husband, won’t need no wife
You’ll pick your son, pick your daughter too
From the bottom of a long glass tube
In the year 7510
If God’s a-coming, He oughta make it by then
Maybe He’ll look around Himself and say
“Guess it’s time for the Judgement Day”
In the year 8510
God is gonna shake His mighty head
He’ll either say, “I’m pleased where man has been”
Or tear it down, and start again
In the year 9595
I’m kinda wonderin’ if man is gonna be alive
He’s taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain’t put back nothing
Now it’s been ten thousand years, man has cried a billion tears
For what, he never knew, now man’s reign is through
But through eternal night, the twinkling of starlight
So very far away, maybe it’s only yesterday
Songwriters
Evans, Richard Lee
It's the service people that are being shoved to the wayside.
I pump my own gas, go to the ATM, pay my taxes and utilities on line. Millions and millions of service jobs are no more.
>>This thread may soon be shut down as a duplicate. The first thread was filled with post full of mockery at the very notion or at the left (good on that latter, but it ignores the issue) with little engagement from FReepers on how serious this question is or will soon become.<<
Unless, this thread was computer-generated.
Remember the definition of computer: a device that can generate many errors very quickly.
Most people contribute little to society and are really nothing more than turd machines...
Wasnt that a Vonnegut comment in one of his stories ?
translation: Guess we need to start talking about that Guaranteed Minimum Income proposal NOW.
Maybe we’ll have smarter bosses.
Technology increased the value of human effort because it increased the productivity of the worker. A skilled cobbler might produce two or three shoes a day by hand, and it might take ten years for the cobbler to attain the level of skill needed to do even that. A worker at a shoe factory may be semi-skilled and require only a few weeks of training, but he could produce hundreds of shoes a day. More goods produced and higher labor value, lead to a consumer society with a broad middle class, something which had never before existed. True, some would argue that the capitalist took away most of the worker's increased value for himself, but no one ought to deny that society as a whole has become more wealthy at all levels.
If automation takes over most of the production of goods and many services, the economy must become even more productive, increasing the value of whatever human labor remains. For instance, one might need to work only a few hours a week to earn enough to purchase not only necessities, but luxuries far beyond the average person's reach today.
A lot of the companies I used to work for don't even exist anymore.
/johnny
Guess I will open a robot repair shop.
Robots will have to pay income tax.
Next, they demand representation with taxation.
This idea has always fascinated me so it was interesting to read about it. in the past, increases in productivity were great because the freed up labor to move onto another important task. but ultimately if human labor is no longer necessary you wind up with a lot of people that require goods and services (demand) and robots building and providing services (supply) but no way for the consumers to pay for them because their services are no longer required....anywhere. they are unable to earn their keep so to speak. its a fascinating predicament.
And, for most of us, that's a good thing. I remember when banking was a highly inconvenient chore, conducted strictly from 9 am to 3 pm, M-F (except on about a dozen “banking holidays”). Same thing with filling up the car at a gas station; very few stations were open after 6 pm, and none on were open on Sunday, except at the freeway (pre-Interstate) exits.
This post brings to mind Fritz Lang’s “Metropolis”
We’re already experiencing this.
The outsourcing of jobs to cheap Chinese has the same effect.
Economically that cheap labor is analogous to robots. Similarly the imported illegals.
What it will mean is what we’re already seeing - more income redistribution, more food stamps, more welfare.
Unless people that have been displaced by robots (or equivalents) are able to buy and consume what the robots build there will be no need or demand for robots.
——a robot repair shop——
I expect that to start out you need a van and as an independent contractor make house calls. Before long you will have several good customers and will need a helper. The helper will either quit and go at it himself in competition or you will need to worry about payroll and benefits and taxes and his ex wife and on and on.
But, the satisfaction of your own business is very hard to duplicate in spite of the worry it brings
Great song. But at the rate mankind is currently going, I’m thinking that God will make his year 8510 pronouncement (the tear it down and start again part) no later than 2055.
You end up with lot’s of Detroit’s?
You will be killed off by the elite.
All hail the Butlerian jihad!
Then of course, comes the problem of the stopping Omnius (Evermind), Erasmus, the Cymek (Titans) and the Thinking Machine Overlords from taking over in the first place:
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