DA rules fatal police fire justified (hands were up; on video)

http://www.newsregister.com/linfield-police-shooting-decision ^

[TigerClaws]

[Updated 12/9/14 10 a.m.] Three McMinnville police officers involved in the fatal Nov. 15 shooting of Juventino Bermudez-Arenas, who had just stabbed to death Linfield College student Parker Moore at the counter of a convenience mart, acted reasonably and lawfully, according to a report released late Monday afternoon by Yamhill County District Attorney Brad Berry.

[Vendome]

Fk him.

[cripplecreek]

I was wrong it was a cop who killed the perp in Brooklyn last night. In fact the cop was backing away and retreating even after the guy lunged with the knife. Video at site.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/09/us/new-york-synagogue-stabbing/index.html

[joshua c]

I have been in that situation. I was holding a knife.

Officers approached and said stop. The knife was on the ground and my hands were in the air before they even ordered me to.

No, I did not just murder someone and it was a pocket knife. But I knew instinctively that dropping the knife and putting my hands in the air was a matter of survival when police officers have their weapons drawn.

[Uncle Miltie]

Jeezus H. F’ing X.

They murdered the murderer.

Usually, I’m in favor of that, especially when the murderer is asking for it.

In this case, however, the murderer had his hands up and was making no aggressive moves. Then they shot him.

That’s all, folks.

But at least the cops made it home safely, and may have written a large number of tickets to keep the welfare state well supplied with cash.

[caddie]

You need to develop a stomach for what is coming.

[mylife]

Dumb all over, and maybe a little ugly on the side...

[Uncle Miltie]

I favor good shoots.

I’ll participate.

I’m getting pretty sick of THIS sh*t. Two years later and no public statement about whether the officer back-shot the crazy guy in a fit of pique:

When the panhandler Cesar Beltran was shot by Tacoma Police Officer Michel Volk, eyewitnesses said:

“Then all of a sudden, (the officer) yelled something and she tried Tasing him, but missed. When the guy started to run away, (the officer) immediately threw the Taser down, pulled her gun out and shot.” The man seemed to be running in slow motion — possibly drunkenly — as he attempted to flee, Graham said. That’s when the officer fired four shots, several of which appeared to hit the man, she added, “I didn’t see anything in his hands,” Graham added. “I didn’t see him do anything physical or threatening. I’ve just never seen anything like that before in my life — a person just getting shot like that. It was just heartbreaking.” (1)

“Folks we watched this while waiting in the turn lane. From what I viewed the slow moving but irritated homeless man was absolutely murdered. I could have restrained him with one arm. To be watching something that seemed sorta funny be turned into a shooting......I am not comfortable as a tax paying and law abiding citizen in Tacoma anymore. Maybe time to relocate our business as this type of event is now all too common in Tacoma.” (2)

Have these eyewitness accounts been investigated and verified or debunked? Has officer Volk been exonerated or fired? Was Beltran shot in his front or his back? The Tacoma News Tribune has not reported the results of any internal investigation. In light of police shooting issues in the TNT and around the country, I look forward a full public disclosure of the results of this case.

(1) http://thedailyworld.com/sections/newswire/northwest/panhandler-shot-injured-after-charging-tacoma-police-officer.html#sthash.ylGGY3wR.dpuf
(2) http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/man-wounded-after-being-shot-police/nYZQr/

[longtermmemmory]

do not terrorists “out on battlefields” take arms of fallen fellows and then claim “they were not armed”?

remember ambulance man who had a medic vest he wore from incident to incident for the cameras?

remember crazy shaheen who had more reporters watching her than supporters?

[South40]

That may be true, but the entire legal process costs taxpayers big, as can and do the awards.

I think this punk probably needed killing. But again, what's right doesn't really matter, what a slick, shyster attorney representing the family can convince a jury of, does.

[CrazyIvan]

“Those officers understood the huge importance of the Tueller Drill in their training.”

Can't get the video to run on my phone, so can't form a fair opinion but I think anyone who makes a judgment on a situation like this should at least watch a video of the drill. I have done it in training and it was a real eye opener. 

[caddie]

Milt, please don't be offended by my posts.

But there should be a significant respect for the police. One where criminals don't even consider getting feisty in a 7-11 with a knife.

I am willing to see the police grease a few people under dubious circumstances in order for there to be some global fear that would keep the anarchists and drifters under the porch.

I really don't care if these people are happy or have fulfilling lives and have each one of their rights scrupulously observed.... my rights are ignored by the government and by society all the time. But because I am a white male, I have to just shut up and like it.

I want everyone else to be in the same mode.

If my rights are abridged and trampled on, then I want other people to be in the same boat.

[PLMerite]

I watched the video on a better player than youtube and the guy was making jerking movements like he was feinting an attack. He was NOT just standing there with his hands up.

Of course, the guy had walked around the corner and was leaning against the wall for a while before one of the cops noticed he fit the description of the perp.

[snowrip]

Guess he shouldn’t have been a murdering POS, then.

Good shoot.

[ifinnegan]

“Claim is he wouldn’t drop the weapon and had clinched fists”

Claim?

I thought you say there is a video.

[RaceBannon]

he did step forward, he did not drop his hands
too grainy to see a weapon
but he did NOT obey cops comands

[RaceBannon]

he was identified by the store owner, he said so just before they went for him

[zeugma]

Jeezus H. F’ing X.

They murdered the murderer.

Usually, I’m in favor of that, especially when the murderer is asking for it.

In this case, however, the murderer had his hands up and was making no aggressive moves. Then they shot him.

That’s all, folks.

But at least the cops made it home safely, and may have written a large number of tickets to keep the welfare state well supplied with cash.

Agreed. I feel no sorrow at the death of the murderer, but police are not supposed to be judge, jury, and executioner. The system should not reinforce this.

 

Jeezus H. F’ing X.

They murdered the murderer.

Usually, I’m in favor of that, especially when the murderer is asking for it.

In this case, however, the murderer had his hands up and was making no aggressive moves. Then they shot him.

That’s all, folks.

But at least the cops made it home safely, and may have written a large number of tickets to keep the welfare state well supplied with cash.

[DUMBGRUNT]

The Tueller Drill

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Tueller Drill is a self-defense training exercise to prepare against a short-range knife attack when armed only with a holstered handgun.
Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. These results were first published as an article in SWAT magazine in 1983 and in a police training video by the same title, “How Close is Too Close?”[1]
A defender with a gun has a dilemma. If he shoots too early, he risks being charged with murder. If he waits until the attacker is definitely within striking range so there is no question about motives, he risks injury and even death. The Tueller experiments quantified a “danger zone” where an attacker presented a clear threat.[2]
The Tueller Drill combines both parts of the original time trials by Tueller. There are several ways it can be conducted:[3]
The attacker and shooter are positioned back-to-back. At the signal, the attacker sprints away from the shooter, and the shooter unholsters his gun and shoots at the target 21 feet (6.4 m) in front of him. The attacker stops as soon as the shot is fired. The shooter is successful only if his shot is good and if the runner did not cover 21 feet (6.4 m).
A more stressful arrangement is to have the attacker begin 21 feet (6.4 m) behind the shooter and run towards the shooter. The shooter is successful only if he was able take a good shot before he is tapped on the back by the attacker.
If the shooter is armed with only a training replica gun, a full-contact drill may be done with the attacker running towards the shooter. In this variation, the shooter should practice side-stepping the attacker while he is drawing the gun.
Mythbusters covered the drill in the 2012 episode “Duel Dilemmas”. At 20 feet the gun wielder was able to shoot the charging knife attacker just as he reached the shooter. At shorter distances the knife wielder was always able to stab prior to being shot.[4]

[familyop]

"The man shot had just murdered a store clerk. Did want to post that before you see the video."

Good. Then the costs of courts won't be needed, when the remainder of the middle class is unemployed, protesting (like the "professionals," pensioners and students in Greece) and needs to be disposed of.