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Pardon Bush and Those Who Tortured
NYT ^ | 12/8/14 | By ANTHONY D. ROMERO

Posted on 12/08/2014 6:00:12 PM PST by Oliviaforever

BEFORE President George W. Bush left office, a group of conservatives lobbied the White House to grant pardons to the officials who had planned and authorized the United States torture program. My organization, the American Civil Liberties Union, found the proposal repugnant. Along with eight other human rights groups, we sent a letter to Mr. Bush arguing that granting pardons would undermine the rule of law and prevent Americans from learning what had been done in their names.

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To: the OlLine Rebel
yes!

21 posted on 12/08/2014 6:19:21 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: goldstategop

Yes, the ACLU is consistent and with a few exceptions they’re anti-American.


22 posted on 12/08/2014 6:20:04 PM PST by jazusamo (0bama to go 'full-Mussolini' after elections: Mark Levin)
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To: TigerClaws

Not really. They just want us to choose one of those losers as our candidate.

It is like Lucy with the football.

They will praise those weak Republican candidates up and down until they get the nomination, then their work is done there, and it is back to vilifying them.


23 posted on 12/08/2014 6:20:04 PM PST by rlmorel (The Media's Principles: Conflict must exist. Doesn't exist? Create it. Exists? Exacerbate it.)
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To: Oliviaforever

The whole “torture” thing makes me shrug.

After George H.W. Bush was head of the CIA in 1976-1977, under Gerald Ford, I about fell off my chair laughing when some journalist did a retrospective and said that, “While he was head of the CIA, there were no *covert* operations.”

Of course there were covert operations. But there were no leaks about these covert operations. Nobody talked. Nobody blabbed. Most of congress didn’t even know about them.

Why? Because they were secret. They are supposed to remain secret, or they are no longer covert.

The same with torture, and detention of terrorists. Under W. Bush, Gitmo was a big red herring. The real interrogations were done in other countries and nobody ever heard about them. Then, when they were done, they would ship off their subjects to Gitmo, where “the usual suspects” would whine about them and try to interfere.

A day late and a dollar short.

Properly, the terrorists with any useful information should have been shipped to some foreign stink hole, squeezed dry and then liquidated. No reason to keep any of them around.

No particular records kept of them, just their information forwarded for analysis.


24 posted on 12/08/2014 6:21:14 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Oliviaforever

The left is still swilling their koolaid to the detriment of the US. Tar, feather, repeat.


25 posted on 12/08/2014 6:21:24 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Oliviaforever

Is he joking ? Obama has targeted and killed American citizens by drone who were wanted for nothing. I really do think these people want another civil war.


26 posted on 12/08/2014 6:23:40 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Da Coyote

This sorry SOB Obama said he agrees with the CIA files being released because the United States and THE WORLD need to know that the US tortured people. If this does not prove this worthless POS hates his own country I don’t what does. He should be tried on treason charges. The Benedict Arnold-SOB!


27 posted on 12/08/2014 6:24:46 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Yup. Now the democrats are all about leaving everything in flames.


28 posted on 12/08/2014 6:26:50 PM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: Oliviaforever
Were our military to capture a senior leader of the Islamic State who was believed to have valuable information, some members of Congress would no doubt demand that our interrogators use precisely the barbaric and illegal methods that the Obama administration has disavowed.

Ok, we can all agree that Congress is dumb enough to do that.

A MUCH better option would be to force Ms. Romero and family to accept the ISIS senior leader into their household. As a foreign exchange student.

I'm guessing that an hour or two of having Ms. Romero and family inflicted on them would make even the hardest ISIS member crack and beg to be waterboarded.

:D
29 posted on 12/08/2014 6:27:01 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: RC one
No, this is about reducing the exposure which the upcoming Gruber hearings would otherwise get.
30 posted on 12/08/2014 6:29:58 PM PST by what's up
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“They are supposed to remain secret, or they are no longer covert”

Nothing remains secret with the airhead-in-chief calling the shots. Never forget he told the world that a Seal Team 6 had killed Bin Laden. He strutted around like he was the leader of the mission and told the world exactly how it went down. He endangered the lives of every member of the mission and should have been brought up on charges and impeached. A few months later a chopper is shot out of the sky carrying members of the team. Don’t know how many lost their lives, but it was a lot. All because this ignorant SOB ran his mouth about the mission. I’m reminded of the old WW2 motto “loose lips sink ships”.


31 posted on 12/08/2014 6:31:09 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus")
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To: Oliviaforever

I’d say they didn’t torture enough.


32 posted on 12/08/2014 6:31:13 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Oliviaforever

Obama will probably do it. Then he will expect a full pardon for all the laws he is breaking.


33 posted on 12/08/2014 6:32:06 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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To: Oliviaforever

Pardon him for what? I love what Bush did to those pieces of muslim dog squeeze in my name.


34 posted on 12/08/2014 6:32:47 PM PST by skeeter
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To: SaxxonWoods

Of course we tortured them, and I’m glad we did.

I’m glad Bush had the stones to do it, I just wish he had the stones to defend it.


35 posted on 12/08/2014 6:34:06 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Noble

Obama does not have the stones to issue a pardon to Bush of anyone in his administration. Moreover, it would acknowledge torture as a crime, and the next president may not pardon Obama.


36 posted on 12/08/2014 6:40:52 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: dfwgator

Thank you.


37 posted on 12/08/2014 6:41:24 PM PST by bergmeid
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Of course, as enemy spies and saboteurs out of uniform, as I understand it, we could have done just about anything with them that we pleased.

When German terrorists landed at Amagansett in 1942, it took six weeks from the arrests to the electric chair. This six weeks included the US Supreme Court review of their cases.

I agree completely that indefinite detention at Guantanamo was a farce and a strong sign of our cowardice. They should have had monthly hangings of the prisoners they were finished with, to encourage the others.


38 posted on 12/08/2014 6:44:46 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: RC one

Ha..I wont vote for Jeb...or Mitt...oR christie


39 posted on 12/08/2014 6:45:40 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods)
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To: what's up

I disagree. This is about creating a historical record against Bush-sort of like a Censure.

This will be used for the next 30-40 years to denigrate GWB and all the little Bush that run for office with Grampa’s (GHWB) Rolodex of powerful friends.

This is just like releasing the Abu Ghrab photos-they know people will die and Democrats still don’t give a damn. It’s despicable.imo


40 posted on 12/08/2014 6:54:37 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (luke 6:38)
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