Posted on 12/07/2014 7:25:21 AM PST by gorush
...And it was a headlock, not a chokehold. To be a chokehold, there must be constant pressure on the person’s neck, compressing his windpipe or cutting off the flow of blood to the carotid artery, rendering him unconscious.
Watch the video: It’s obvious that the arresting officer put his arm around Garner’s neck to bring him to the ground — but once Garner was on the ground, he was still conscious and able to say he couldn’t breathe.
That’s when the officers called for medical back-up. Tragically, the EMS personnel failed to administer oxygen or to ascertain that Garner was asthmatic and use an inhaler to assist with his breathing.
A top medical examiner (who can’t publicly fault the city ME) tells me it was very irresponsible for the Medical Examiner’s Office to issue the press release stating that Garner’s death was caused by a chokehold (with asthma, heart disease and obesity as contributing factors) and ruling his death a homicide.
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Saying you can’t breath is the equivalent of a “tap out”. Having to say it 13 times is pleading for help using his residual. Sure doesn’t mean he was breathing OK to me.Never been in or witnessed a fight where a plea for help was not recognized and honored.
Hitler made laws for Jews in 1939 Germany. How hard is that to understand?
Don't be silly. If your air passage is choked, the mechanics of speech prevent talking (air has to pass to vibrate the vocal cords). If he had trouble breathing, it would have been his pre-existing asthma.
If you believe he has chocked, you are falling for the propaganda of the communists pushing the narrative to foment revolution.
Sensitive much?
/johnny
Ah well perhaps I was too hasty. My apologies to you.
That particular line of conversation didn’t materialize anyway, it doesn’t seem to have an real bearing on the central issues of this matter.
I would agree that the excited nature of the arrest was not helpful to his lifespan.
Still though I do not believe that there is anyway for any of the officers to reasonably expect that if we take this man, who is in fact resisting arrest, down he will likely die of that action.
I would say that it would be more reasonable of garner to expect that, he being the most familiar with his own body and its ailments, hey if I resist arrest and get into with the cops, I may experience health trouble as a result.
I wish he had not have resisted. I really do. I don’t want to see a man die like this.
I could die like this, I have a bad heart myself.
Every day I have to consider what I do and is it safe for me to do it.
I ain’t no spring chicken anymore, my body parts are getting old.
I am distressed by how he was not given aid after the arrest.
I first understood that he placed in a nambulance wherein he suffered a heart attack and was later pronounced dead at the hospital.
But I belive that account is false.
After watching the extended video of him on the sidewalk, I believe he died very shortly after arrest was effected.
And frankly I have no idea why the EMTs did not attmept anything in order to help him, or the police for that matter, unless they had no training in that regard.
I am in agreement with the EMTs being barred from duty. I’d be ashamed of myself were I them. They didn’t even try.
Not sensitive at all. I asked someone to refrain from highlighting race in this discussion and you presumed to tell me what I can and can’t say here. If that were important to me I would have engaged you in conversation rather than choosing someone with less of a chip on his shoulder.
I didn't tell you that you could or couldn't say anything.
You are the one that said "Stop it".
/johnny
You did nothing of the sort. You made an ill advised choice to assail what you believed were my intentions, rather than addressing the substance of the post. You’re a poor judge of character and intent, whatever else you may be.
You said "Stop it".
You don't get to make those rules for other people.
/johnny
Link to the post where I said “Stop it”, or you are a liar sir.
Garner may have had no knowledge of his medical condition beyond the obvious weight issue.
That said, compliance should be the first order, but we live in country where certain demographics are encouraged to resist by government leaders. Someone like Garner was probably raised on NWA F' da Police, and 187 on a MF'n cop, so he needs little encouragement to be difficult. As such, it's up to the 'adults' to handle the situation in manner that cleans up the mess and leaves no unsightly residue.
I read that he died several hours later.
I guess that settles that.
/johnny
Logical fallacy !Post Hoc ergo Propter Hoc
Yeah, I had both read and heard that.
However, in watching the extended video of his arrest which went on for some 7-9 minutes after he was arrested, it looked like he was dead before the EMTs arrived if not at the exact same time as their arrival.
Now I do not know if he was acutally dead, or the specific details of what happened inside the ambulance, but he looked dead to me. I could not see him breathing at all, and I would expect a large man to be out of breath and breathing hard after such an incident, but he wasn’t, and he was also unresponsive.
This is the same video which also shows that no cpr or medical aid of any kind was given to him by either police or arriving EMTs, which I must say troubles me.
Regardless of the arrest or whatever he was doing in terms of illegality, if he was in medical distress, which I do think he was, he should have been helped.
It’s possible that he didn’t, but I think it is more reaosnable to expect that he would have such knowledge versus expecting the police to have such knowledge.
And I would agree that it is likely that cultural influences played some part in his decision to resist.
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