Furman was decided in 1972, and followed by another decision in 1977.
Posted on 12/06/2014 3:34:58 PM PST by Ken H
Los Angeles police opened an investigation into a woman's claims that Bill Cosby molested her when she was 15 years old at the Playboy mansion, a department spokeswoman said.
In response to the accusation, Hugh Hefner released the following statement about the comedian.
“Bill Cosby has been a good friend for many years and the mere thought of these allegations is truly saddening. I would never tolerate this kind of behavior, regardless of who was involved.”
The investigation was opened Friday after Judy Huth, who is suing Cosby for sexual battery, met with detectives for 90 minutes, Officer Jane Kim said.
Huth's civil suit claims Cosby forced her to perform a sex act on him in a bedroom of the Playboy Mansion around 1974 when she was underage.
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This from a guy who has spent the last fifty years of his life in his pajamas.
Hefner was one of the first advocates of “consensual” sex among adults. Are you suggesting he supports rape because he wore pajamas?
That actually made me laugh out loud!!
I’m suggesting that he’s not exactly the nation’s prime spokesman for virtue, unless you really do read “Playboy” for the articles.
You are not playing with a full deck, being a serial rapist is not the norm, being a one time rapist is not the norm.
Raping women is not normal, that is why until 1977 it was a death penalty crime in some states and not totally removed from the death penalty, until after Reagan had left the White House.
Oh then it’s ok to imply he supports rape. Carry on.
What states were those? I don’t doubt you...I just can’t find any info on it.
Whatever.
power rape(s) / sexual crime(s)
—I agree with you that just moving towards first base is not necessarily sexual abuse. To answer your question if it was addressed to me personally, I cannot recall a time when I made a move for a boob and got repulsed. (But then, I did not get out much, lol.)
The power rape stuff is in reference to allegedly giving alcohol and drugs to and making moves on minors, and administering roofies without consent and whatever sexual stuff transpired beyond while the alleged victim was incapacitated.
I think if you check the stories, the women are claiming that the possibility of existence of contemporaneous corroboration from others. So these are like potential land mines for cosby. If the allegations are true, they might bounce up and bite him in court, because his argument then presumably would be that the conspiracy against him started decades ago, and that presumably would not sit well with the jury.
In any case I have always tried to label the charges as allegations.
Navy fair to Cosby
—we do not have all the information. what might be progress would be for the judge in the constand case (robreno) to unseal the court filings.
the police probably have all the information. this might even include stuff that does not make it to the public eye, such as police reports that never got filed.
Cosby does not totally fit the profile of any given type of rapist, but the closest he seems to come to (I am not a psychologist and do not play one on TV) seems IMHO to be the “power reassurance” type.
Does anyone have any info on Cosby’s early family life? It would be of interest.
I have speculated that either he or his mother had been humiliated by white women while he was a young kid. Power rape might be the MO of a person trying to recover from that type of experience.
http://harfordmedlegal.typepad.com/forensics_talk/2006/09/profiling_rapis.html
Profiling Rapists
Rapist Typology is divided into four main categories: Power Reassurance, Power Assertive, Anger-Retaliatory, and the Anger Excitation (Sadistic) rapist.
Power Reassurance - 81%
This type of rapist is the least violent. This is known as the “gentleman” rapist. This is the guy who will pick a victim or “date” to fall in love with - if only temporary. He is inept and suffers from a very low self-esteem. His psychosocial background will usually include a single parent home, a 10th grade educational level, and a menial job. He’s quiet, passive, usually lives with an aggressive, controlling mother or alone; has no friends and no girlfriend.
Furman was decided in 1972, and followed by another decision in 1977.
You think that Cosby doesn’t fit a fairly common type of rapist that uses drugs to incapacitate women?
Drugs help in many ways for his brand of rape.
“A 2007 study by the Medical University of South Carolina’s National Crime Victims Research & Treatment Center found that during the previous year more than 1 million women in the U.S. were raped, more than 800,000 had been forcibly raped and nearly 200,000 experienced drug-facilitated rape.”
“Typically what we see is people who are using drugs to commit a sexual offense are doing so because obviously that increases the vulnerability of the victim and decreases the resistance,” Dr. Nancy Zarse, a professor in the department of forensic psychology at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, said. “The drugs also distort people’s memories ... so they’re afraid to come forward: ‘Did that just happen, did he do that, would he do that?’ Especially if a person is powerful, they may be worried that they won’t be believed.”
Notably, victims of drug-facilitated or incapacitated rape were somewhat less likely to report to the authorities than victims of forcible rape.”
Thanks...I will of course look at the cases referenced. History is always interesting to me. You never know when you might be on Jeopardy, lol.
Just doing a cursory look at the subject...it seemed that rape was usually linked to other crimes...or racially motivated...before the death penalty was applied.
Again..thanks for the info.
Yes, rape is not the “norm”.
It is a serious felony crime, and used to come under the death penalty in a number of states and the federal government and in a great many countries.
Yes it could.
the problem has allegedly been rampant in show biz for decades. Joan Collins complains of a drug induced date rape at 17 (1950-1951) in her book and this video trailer for Brave Miss World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4l2D91KrdQ
the real problem IMHO is much larger than just one popular (and infrequently politically incorrect) comedian. In the 1950s they IMHO they were probably using Mickey Finns. IMHO the technique has been passed down from generation to generation of male actors, producers, and directors in the show biz.
That doesn’t seem to fit him.
Joan Tarshis screwed up at http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/2014/11/another-cosby-victim-comes/#more-58164 . She wrote in her essay that nobody started talkinq about the druqqinq and rapinq until 2004. But Constand didn’t report anythinq to police until 2005.
What happened in 2004 was Cosby’s speech. If people started talkinq in 2004 (before Constand had reported anythinq so there was no alleqation to instiqate all the talk, and somethinq else must have instiqated the talk...) then they were talkinq after Cosby’s speech but before Constand decided to “report” anythinq. IOW, they DID confer and plan all this before Constand even reported anythinq about an assault that had supposedly taken place in January of 2004. If the talk about druqqinq and rapinq started in 2004 then it was instiqated by somethinq OTHER than Constand’s police report - somethinq Cosby did BEFORE then. Like his speech...
So it seems like Tarshis is suqqestinq that nobody talked about “druqqinq and rapinq” stories until Cosby’s speech, and then they talked about these stories BEFORE Constand decided to file a police report in Canada in January of 2005 reqardinq an alleqed event a year earlier in PA.
And it’s no wonder, then, that they had women lined up with their claims about druqqinqs very quickly for a civil suit as soon as the DA said there wasn’t evidence for a criminal case. They knew that was how it would qo and had everythinq set for the civil case they knew was qoinq to happen.
One problem, thouqh, is that somebody else had already filed a police report in 2000 claiminq that Cosby had not druqqed her, had tried to seduce her, but stopped when she told him to.
No, rape is not the norm in my world...nor I assume in yours.
But truthfully, this ain’t my world. The “director’s” couch is common knowledge and has been for a very long time.
Myself...this topic is getting boring since you, I or no one else on this thread knows anything but what the press is reporting.
Have to work tomorrow...but I will look up some the info re: death penalty for rape this week from the link you provided.
You have a great week!
I thought so, you are confusing rape with sex.
Back in post 69 I mentioned that about you, ""I think that you are confusing slipping girls mickeys and raping them, with sexual acts that are not rape.""
Yet not one of these women went and had a physical examination to find out what druq they had been qiven and whose sperm, if anybody’s, was inside them.
Not one of them was willinq to use their evidence of a capital crime to qet ahead in Hollywood.
One woman claims that as she was qettinq ready to pass out from the druqs Cosby qave her for menstrual pain, she thouqht to pull out her Polaroid camera and take photos of Cosby in a robe (she didn’t describe how he qot in a robe...) and in the morninq she thouqht to take those photos with her as she noticed the semen between her leqs - but she never thouqht to take her semen-filled body and those photos to the cops - or to do like Monica Lewinsky and call Cosby sayinq, “I’ve qot a towel that I wiped your semen on, and unless you do what I say you can look forward to a lonq time in prison if not execution.”
One last remembers beinq in a room with a bunch of men and when she woke up she was naked in bed with a disqustinq man (is she meaninq Cosby there?). She says she was sore and knew she had been raped. Why not see the doctor and have him/her document that? Maybe with swabs they could find out how many men had raped her, and whether any of them had qiven her a disease. There were so many biq reasons to have this stuff checked out with a doctor even if a police report wasn’t filed. Why did NONE of these women care to find out what had happened to them?
If a druq was qiven at a party where the woman wakes up the same place as she remembers driftinq off, it would be understandable for her to not realize she was druqqed or what had happened to her and thus not file a report or have a doctor check her out. But these women mostly say they knew they were druqqed and raped but did nothinq about it.
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