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Judge: Give NSA unlimited access to digital data
PC World ^ | 12-04-2014 | Grant Gross

Posted on 12/06/2014 10:32:28 AM PST by RememberRonnie

The U.S. National Security Agency should have an unlimited ability to collect digital information in the name of protecting the country against terrorism and other threats, an influential federal judge said during a debate on privacy.

"I think privacy is actually overvalued," Judge Richard Posner, of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, said during a conference about privacy and cybercrime in Washington, D.C., Thursday.

"Much of what passes for the name of privacy is really just trying to conceal the disreputable parts of your conduct," Posner added. "Privacy is mainly about trying to improve your social and business opportunities by concealing the sorts of bad activities that would cause other people not to want to deal with you."...

In the name of national security, U.S. lawmakers should give the NSA "carte blanche," Posner added. "Privacy interests should really have very little weight when you're talking about national security," he said....

(Excerpt) Read more at pcworld.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Technical
KEYWORDS: activistjudge; nsa; policestate; posner; privacy; tyranny
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Find out what he looks like, remember his face and name.


21 posted on 12/06/2014 11:21:41 AM PST by Politicalkiddo ("It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority."- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RememberRonnie
"I think privacy is actually overvalued," Judge Richard Posner, of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, said

I think Judge Posner is overvalued, and should be impeached. And perhaps the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit is overvalued as well, and we should abolish it.

22 posted on 12/06/2014 11:22:55 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: RememberRonnie

This has got to be satire. Please tell me this is satire...

If not... Will this judge mind if I start snooping through his emails? Or is that just for us little people?


23 posted on 12/06/2014 11:23:10 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: gaijin

That thief has my tie, arrest him!


24 posted on 12/06/2014 11:30:21 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Maybe we should distribute all of his “Private”Information across the Internet.Maybe then we’ll see how much he values his privacy.


25 posted on 12/06/2014 11:45:15 AM PST by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: RememberRonnie
Privacy is an illusion. Nothing is, or ever has been, private.

The cruelest joke is on those who ever thought that privacy exists, that securities markets are fair, that the FDA is even-handed in approving new drugs, that either the EPA or Obamacare protects your health, that your IRS records will be used only by the IRS or, for that matter, that any rule will be applied in the best interests of all citizens.

The primary purpose is to protect government from the people and to provide a pretext for expanded bureaucracy.

We have arrived at the same conclusion for different reasons, Judge Posner.

26 posted on 12/06/2014 12:02:42 PM PST by Praxeologue
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
When I was a teen in the 70's, if they'd tried this crap people would have been SCREAMING!

People are very close to the breaking point, I think; most people are biting their tongue because if they speak out they'll be labeled terrorist [etc] and because the government has been quite successful in pushing a philosophy — what I call the appeal to self authority:

  1. People in authority would not be there if they were not good.
  2. Therefore, their position of authority is proof of their goodness.
  3. Because of this goodness, the power an authority uses is good.
  4. Therefore, to disagree with [or disobey] an authority is proof of your evilness.
  5. Implicit: I am an authority; to contradict me is evil, no matter the situation.

This, and the continual messages of you are alone and you are powerless are what they're putting their bet on.

27 posted on 12/06/2014 12:40:41 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: RememberRonnie

IF Republican or Democrat politicians believed 10% of what they claim, they would impeach this man immediately.


28 posted on 12/06/2014 12:42:19 PM PST by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The U.S. National Security Agency citizens should have an unlimited ability to collect digital information in the name of protecting the country against terrorism and other threats...

There, I fixed it. Time to get to work!

29 posted on 12/06/2014 12:56:39 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: RememberRonnie

what a totally idiotic thing to say! amazing!!!! (we are in some really really deeeeeep Doo-doo when people in positions of public trust and power make statements like this so dangerous to, and subversive of, foundational American Constitutional values)

solution:

give NSA access to this judge’s data

leave the rest of us (and the 4th Amendment!!!!!) alone!

thank you.


30 posted on 12/06/2014 1:02:24 PM PST by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..) c)
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To: RememberRonnie
POSNER, Honorable Richard Allen (Illinois)
Appointed by President Reagan
Born in New York, New York, on January 11, 1939
Succeeded Judge Tone
Commissioned Circuit Judge on December 1, 1981
Oath of office December 4, 1981
Served as Chief Judge from 1993 to 2000

On Judge Posner (3 frank interviews)
http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2014/12/the-man-behind-the-robes-a-qa-with-richard-posner.html

Posner on rape
http://barbwire.com/2014/09/13/federal-judge-envisions-rape-license-right-rape/

Posner was confirmed by a Republican-led Senate...in 5 minutes.

I'm just rhetorically stating that 5 minutes might not have been long enough... /s

28 U.S. Code § 453 - Oaths of justices and judges

Each justice or judge of the United States shall take the following oath or affirmation before performing the duties of his office:

“I, XXX XXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as XXX under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God.”
Personally, I think that oath needs a bit of rewriting...
31 posted on 12/06/2014 1:47:15 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: RememberRonnie

Crack pot.

His view is more than 20p years late to save King George from embarrassment and defeat.


32 posted on 12/06/2014 1:56:38 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I think lawyers, judges and politicians are overvalued. By about a 20:1 factor. Half are purely parasites, sucking life from the productive and making everything more costly.


33 posted on 12/06/2014 1:57:02 PM PST by polymuser ( Enough is enough)
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To: Vendome

Thats “He’s more than 200 years late...”


34 posted on 12/06/2014 1:58:47 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: RememberRonnie

“Privacy interests should really have very little weight when you’re talking about national security,” he said....”

Especially today when EVERTHING comes under the heading of national security.

This judge is a lunatic Stalinist.


35 posted on 12/06/2014 1:59:55 PM PST by headstamp 2
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To: RememberRonnie
"I think privacy is actually overvalued," Judge Richard Posner, of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit.

I think our judiciary and their plainly unconstitutional ramblings are overvalued.

36 posted on 12/06/2014 2:00:44 PM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Hi Johnny,

Naaaah. But in my state of health he prolly should. It's the thugs in the US govt that he controls that scare me.

37 posted on 12/06/2014 2:19:53 PM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (An army of deer led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions, led by a deer.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I’m don’t think that Freedom itself will survive the loss of Privacy.

How free are you really if you feel you have to watch what you say or do, even in the privacy of you own home.

Not to mention the economic loss. How many people have ruined their career with some stupid, tasteless Facebook postings that will be around forever.


38 posted on 12/06/2014 2:24:52 PM PST by crusher2013
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To: OneWingedShark

Where’s the US Constitution in all of this. Doesn’t it provide for protection against searches and seisures and being secure in our personal and trade documents (sorry, forget the wording).


39 posted on 12/06/2014 3:19:57 PM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (An army of deer led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions, led by a deer.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
Where’s the US Constitution in all of this.

We're being shown that not one of the branches of government respects it.

And why should they?
It is only for limiting the government — and since they are statists, that essentially deprives their god of power.

Doesn’t it provide for protection against searches and seisures and being secure in our personal and trade documents (sorry, forget the wording).

Yep — but that means nothing if there is no consequence for violating it.

40 posted on 12/06/2014 3:33:15 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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