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Evaluating Conservative Attacks On The Garner Grand Jury
Townhall.com ^ | December 5, 2014 | Mark Davis

Posted on 12/05/2014 4:11:33 AM PST by Kaslin

Like most people across the political spectrum, I approach the Eric Garner arrest video with the requisite amount of dread.

What a shame. What a tragedy. What an unsettling thing to see a man on the day of his death, a premature end following a few moments of conflict with New York City police officers.

Like many conservatives, I have just spent several days standing up for the Ferguson grand jury as it relied on actual evidence to reach a decision in the case of Michael Brown. Those of us who took that stand weathered the attacks of unhinged factions who relied on virtually anything but facts as they fueled a false narrative of a “Gentle Giant” blown away by a racist white police officer.

Amid hopes that cooler heads will prevail as Ferguson fades in the rear view, along comes another non-indictment in the case of a black suspect dying after an interlude with a white officer.

I braced for more reflex cries of racism, more shenanigans from race-baiters, more protesters taking to the streets driven by the baseless narrative that white cops are itching to kill black folk.

All of these unfolded on cue. What I did not expect is a cry of disagreement from conservatives against the New York grand jury, a burst of emotion as undeserved as the venom leveled against Ferguson jurors.

The Michael Brown and Eric Garner deaths are quite different. One involved a violent criminal shot while attacking a police officer, a case whose particulars are clear even without video. The other involves famously watched and re-watched video that nonetheless yielded differences of opinion.

The debate over Garner seems principled and thoughtful, containing several key questions: Did this arrest need to grow so heated so fast? Did those officers use too much force? Did their restraint of him rise to the level of criminality? These were some of the many matters processed by the citizens of the grand jury, and their ultimate decision was that no crime was committed in the attempted arrest of Eric Garner.

I expected pushback from Al Sharpton and Van Jones. I did not expect it from conservative voices at Fox News.

Charles Krauthammer, a steadfast voice usually driven by razor-sharp clarity, found the grand jury’s decision “incomprehensible.” Judge Andrew Napolitano said “this is not a fair application of the law.”

Bill O’Reilly did not go into full wail at the non-indictment, but did share that he was “extremely troubled.”

A perusal of their complaints reveals an unfortunate and hopefully momentary surrender of logic to emotion, a trait all three had spent the previous week criticizing in others.

I’m not immune to the power of the Garner video. I wish I could jump into a time machine and prevent the whole sad thing from happening. I would not go back to the point of the takedown, however. I would go back farther to counsel Mr. Garner on the ill wisdom of resisting arrest— or maybe back even farther, to offer suggestions against breaking the law in the first place.

But while we cannot jump back in time, we most surely can put aside our visceral reactions to the video in order to put ourselves in the shoes of the grand jurors.

They were not asked whether the video upset them. They were not asked if the events were disturbing to watch. They were not asked whether the arrest went flawlessly.

They were asked whether Officer Daniel Pantaleo broke the law in the dispatch of his duties. Their answer was no.

If they had chosen to indict, I would have respected their decision. Unlike Ferguson, the Garner case presents a wide swath of reasonable options. The decision not to indict is surely well within that range, and deserves to be spared criticism from people who are following some other drumbeat.

Krauthammer advocated an involuntary manslaughter charge “at the very least,” tapping into two facts that are entirely irrelevant: “The guy was unarmed and the crime was as petty as they come.” Excuse me? This cries out for another Charles— Barkley in this instance— to sit down and explain to one of America’s top thinkers what was at issue here. “When the cops are trying to arrest you, if you fight back, things go wrong,” the NBA legend told CNN

this week.

That is why Mr. Garner is dead. His lack of a sidearm and the absurdity of the law he broke are of no consequence in a case of an enormous man with vast health problems choosing to fight police making a lawful arrest. Napolitano also obsessed on the admittedly stupid law Garner broke, calling the arrest a “use of deadly force on a person who posed no serious or material threat to the police.”

Wow. Don’t let Barkley go just yet, he needs to spend some time with Judge Nap as well. Someone surely needs to, so that this learned no-nonsense judge can refamiliarize himself with the meaning of “deadly force.” A force is not deadly if you expire in large part due to your own self-created fragile health. While the medical examiner ruled that Garner died as a result of the restraint used against him, the findings also noted that his condition was a vital factor. He was unable to keep his job with the city Parks Department due to his inability to walk even short distances.

And the notion of Garner “posing a threat” is a straw man argument beneath a wise jurist. No one argues that Garner put the officers’ lives at risk. They responded as they did because a sizable suspect was refusing to cooperate. Period.

Amid this wayward chorus, we should thank O’Reilly for not piling on to grand jurors who evaluated evidence as thoughtfully as their Ferguson counterparts. But Bill did join the wave of reactions based not on police procedure but on gut reaction to the video.

“Upon seeing the video that you just saw, and hearing Mr. Garner say he could not breathe, I was extremely troubled. I would have loosened my grip. I desperately wish the officer would have done that.”

Bad spin there, Bill.

The most basic police training teaches that suspects will say or do anything to avoid being taken into custody. “I can’t breathe,” “You’re hurting me” and other laments are foisted on arresting officers all over America every day. Officers must rely on applying force within the law and within police department rules, not relenting every time a suspect complains of discomfort. Police training requires decisive and often aggressive action when resistance arises. Hesitation can be fatal.

“He didn’t deserve that,” O’Reilly concluded, and on that point he is right. But this is another departure from what grand juries actually consider.

This grand jury was not even called to evaluate the so-called “choke hold,” a matter not of law but of department policy. Even if that hold was used— and that is debated— it would expose Officer Pantaleo to professional sanction, not criminal prosecution.

In order to indict, the grand jury would have had to find reckless disregard for Garner’s safety, a fair expectation that the officers knew he could die, and perhaps even a callous disregard for that danger.

Finally, they would have had to find that the death was more attributable to police action than to Garner’s regrettable health.

The grand jury would have had to reach these conclusions not from feelings in the pit of their stomachs but from a clear-eyed expectation that such claims could be asserted in court beyond a reasonable doubt.

In their sincere judgment, that bar was not met. That is a judgment that deserves respect, even if it is in the form of respectful disagreement.

I do not want for one moment to adopt the suspicion harbored by some, that conservatives chastened by battles over Ferguson are feeling a responsibility clamor for an indictment in the Garner case in order to assert some ill-defined bona fides for even-handedness. I would never assert this about the three gentlemen mentioned here, whom I respect profoundly.

But their reactions are not sprung from the proper place for evaluating grand jury actions, in this case or any other. If we are going to lecture people about wandering away from the facts and the law in controversial arrest cases, we had best not take side trips ourselves.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: blackcommunity; ericgarner; police
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To: Kaslin

... and these cigarettes are classified as potentially part of “money laundering” which is a massive focus since 9/11. I probably take 3 or 4 tests a year on thwarting money laundering as an anti-terrorist endeavors.


41 posted on 12/05/2014 5:15:03 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Alberta's Child

You are correct. The standard for a grand jury is not “reasonable doubt” but rather “probable cause”. Is there probable cause that a criminal action has been committed? They are not supposed to consider the probability of a conviction at trial.


42 posted on 12/05/2014 5:22:38 AM PST by stremba
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To: Alberta's Child
not because he was selling untaxed cigarettes, but because he was harassing the customers entering the stores

THANK you.

As most of us know, when something like this happens, all you get are media soundbytes until the factual information slowly trickles out. Everything I'd seen ranged from he was minding his own business to he was breaking up a fight, neither of which would warrant an arrest...
But if he was causing the problem, THAT would be a totally different kettle of fish.

43 posted on 12/05/2014 5:25:21 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Roamin53
"Actually the merchants who complained were minorities, the Sergeant on the scene supervising was black and the chief of that precinct is black. If there was any negligence or malfeasance, it definitely had no racial component!"

You will get no arguement from me on any of that and I have no reason to believe that it would have gone down any differently had Garner been while. I don't think it was a racial issuse, I think was only an excessive force issue.

44 posted on 12/05/2014 5:30:48 AM PST by circlecity
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To: iontheball

We will just have to agree to disagree.


45 posted on 12/05/2014 5:31:47 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Kaslin
Amid hopes that cooler heads will prevail as Ferguson fades in the rear view, along comes another non-indictment...

"Along Comes" is the key to this article and many others. We are being fed a train of pablum, Ferguson, Garner... while the country goes to hell. OK, lets take a timeout from $18 Trillion in Debt, a MØnarch in power, porous border and opening the gates for MUCH more with handouts, Middle east going caliphate with Ø's help, and so on....

46 posted on 12/05/2014 5:32:22 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: stremba
That's right. But in a case like this I believe the grand jury has one very important fact that influences them heavily and gives the police a huge benefit of the doubt when it comes to "probable cause."

The police didn't just come across Eric Garner loitering on a street corner and accost him for some silly reason. Nor did they even come across him and try to arrest him for an outstanding warrant of some kind. The police were called to the scene specifically to deal with him. And despite the unfortunate way this situation ended, anyone who looks at it objectively would have to admit that Garner was basically a useless oaf with a lengthy criminal history and a medical file that might be more typical of someone who was 30 years older than him.

47 posted on 12/05/2014 5:35:53 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("The ship be sinking.")
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To: atc23

“He has been arrested 27 times since 2009 for offenses ranging from fare evasion and pot possession to a robbery in May. He was also busted twice for gun possession and in January 2013 he was charged with menacing with a gun.

Reached at her Tompkinsville home, Lekaj insisted she too was innocent and that Orta - a man she claims to barely know - gave her the gun.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/court-date-delayed-chokehold-cameraman-article-1.1891220

Does that sound like trumped up charges to you? Orta’s wife is also up on charges for beating up someone.


48 posted on 12/05/2014 5:51:26 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: circlecity

Yes, if any cop gets indicted for this then the black female sergeant who was there needs to be indicted because she supervised and approved all of the cops’ actions.


49 posted on 12/05/2014 6:01:36 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: atc23
...Eric Garner is murdered...

FAIL.

50 posted on 12/05/2014 6:22:53 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: jersey117
Or send black cops in and let them put their lives on the line. Problem solved.

Can't do it. Dey gotta union.

51 posted on 12/05/2014 6:24:12 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: FunkyZero
His death was accidental and it happened because a) he was resisting law enforcement and b) the cops used disproportionate force in order to detain him. Plus c) his morbid obesity and accompanying physical problems made him a prime candidate for death from the slightest stress.
52 posted on 12/05/2014 6:28:51 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: fruser1
...today we have tens of thousands of pages of laws and regulations, all of which may ulitmately end in a confrontation with a police officer.

“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”-- Ayn Rand

53 posted on 12/05/2014 6:34:27 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: livius
In the case of Garner, he was selling his cigarettes right in front of the convenience store. In fact, he had been arrested several times for doing the same thing, so we can see how much fear of the police he had!

As someone else replied, he had a lack of common sense. If one is arrested multiple times for the same activity in the same place, then stop doing that activity in that place. I'm not advocating that he conduct illegal activity, but if he is going to continue that activity, at least move it to another location. Surely, there are other locations where one can find cigarette smokers.

54 posted on 12/05/2014 8:27:10 AM PST by ELS
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To: circlecity

I agree.


55 posted on 12/05/2014 12:55:14 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: jersey117

That is not a bad solution to the race hate and “don’t snitch” game.


56 posted on 12/05/2014 1:19:07 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: XEHRpa
And if you engage in a high speed attempt to evade arrest, all bets are off as to the outcome.

Did you see the video of the encounter and subsequent takedown? The guy was balky, not violent or going for the equivalent of a high speed evasion. There were 3 cops on him and once he was prostrate, he wasn't going anywhere. If it was one of your family members, you might expect them to use a bit more due diligence and be a bit more attentive if that member indicated physical distress.

I'm all for cops doing their job and exerting lethal force when appropriate, but there are far too many cowboys out there that absolutely insist on proving their manhood to the detriment of the health of folks that should never have to be killed for the situation.

57 posted on 12/06/2014 3:49:18 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb

I have not watched the video (I have no desire to), and for that reason I don’t even have an opinion on the current subject at hand. My comment to you was merely to note, from what I’ve read on the subject, that it wasn’t the selling of cigarettes that precipitated the takedown, but the resisting of arrest. The point I inferred from your comment about “26 in a 25 zone” was trying to frame the issue in terms of the cigarettes (a petty offense), rather than in terms of the resisting arrest (perhaps I was mistaken in your intent).

No offense intended, but I put comments that try to frame the issue as being about the selling of cigarettes in the same category as the rebuttal during the Clinton years that sex was not an impeachable offense. One can debate whether lying (about sex) under oath was an impeachable offense or not, but don’t put up a strawman that it’s all about sex. Likewise, in the current case, the debate should center over an appropriate use of police force when resistance to arrest is offered. To me, the cigarette thing is a bit of obfuscation.


58 posted on 12/07/2014 4:45:15 PM PST by XEHRpa
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