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The Founding Fathers were clear about who sets immigration policy
Time ^ | 12-2-14

Posted on 12/02/2014 4:54:12 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic

The coming clash between President Obama and Congress over immigration promises to light up what I like to call a constitutional moment. This is a moment in which our politics are so divided that we have scraped away the soil of legislation and are fighting on American bedrock. Rarely has it shone more clearly than in respect of who has the power to decide who can come here and be naturalized as a citizen.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; foundingfathers; georgeiii; immigration; newyorksun; obama; sethlipsky; time
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1 posted on 12/02/2014 4:54:12 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

WOW TIme Magazine has taken as stand.....for....the Constitution?

has the earth shifted on its axis while I wasnt looking??


2 posted on 12/02/2014 4:56:36 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The writer is Seth Lipsky, formerly the publisher and senior editor of the lone true Conservative NY city daily newspaper, the New York Sun.


3 posted on 12/02/2014 5:03:14 PM PST by Wuli
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To: afraidfortherepublic
A movement that cherishes pro-life principles contradicts itself when it emerges against immigration.

I would REALLY like to hear the writer further explain this one.

Later on he implies that the US can handle unlimited immigration because its one of the least densely populated countries in the world. I'd like him to explain the logic behind that one, too.

Why are more people always better? If true, then India, Indonesia and Haiti would be superpowers.

People of different cultures are themselves different, they are NOT fungible.

4 posted on 12/02/2014 5:09:12 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Unborn babies are innocent, illegal aliens are guilty of breaking the law.


5 posted on 12/02/2014 5:34:08 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Exactly right.

No one is suggesting we abort illegal aliens, just return them from whence they came.

6 posted on 12/02/2014 5:37:23 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter
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Action Plan for your "National Day of Reckoning" protest against Obama's Illegal Amnesty - (Internet Link)

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7 posted on 12/02/2014 6:08:10 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: afraidfortherepublic

No comparison.

We are not saying they can’t live.

We are not saying they can’t live here.

We are saying they need to get here the legal way.


8 posted on 12/02/2014 6:16:36 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: MeshugeMikey

Wow, you are right; that is shocking! What is not shocking however is El-Presidente’s complete disregard for the Constitution and the rule of law. We have been watching it long enough.


9 posted on 12/02/2014 6:22:43 PM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun free zones?)
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To: logic101.net
Could Obie's Pals be TURNIN on em?




10 posted on 12/02/2014 6:25:27 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: skeeter

>> People of different cultures are themselves different, they are NOT fungible.

True.


11 posted on 12/02/2014 6:31:28 PM PST by Ray76 (Who gave the stand down order? Benghazi? Ferguson?)
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To: 5thGenTexan

I don’t want them here. Why must we allow mexico to replace the US?


12 posted on 12/02/2014 7:00:49 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
The Founding Fathers were clear about who sets immigration policy

They also were clear about who can be President.
That didn't matter in 1881, 2008, or 2012, so why will this?

13 posted on 12/02/2014 7:25:42 PM PST by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: skeeter
I have also long plumped for a merger of pro-immigration activists and pro-life conservatives. A movement that cherishes pro-life principles contradicts itself when it emerges against immigration.

I also came to a dead end when I arrived at these sentences. It's a poor attempt at sophistry; A painful non sequitur. Aborted babies are totally helpless human victims.

Too many illegal aliens are criminals, bordering on two-legged animals, and helpless they are not. what kind of a moral equivalence can a moron conjure up?
Judging by this editorial, there is no limit.

14 posted on 12/02/2014 7:32:37 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius6961)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Just a minor problem with this article: the constitution only addresses naturalization. It is mute on immigration. The several states set immigration law until the 1890’s. That was consistent with 10th Amendment.


15 posted on 12/02/2014 7:34:51 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: skeeter
People of different cultures are themselves different.....and they differentiate themselves....holding themselves out as different by hyphenating their ethnicity.

Obama should register as a foreign agent---he is colluding w/ corrupt foreign federales, conspiring to overthrow the US govt. Importing vast numbers of "separatist/supremacist pressure groups" is the game plan to gang-up on Americans and loot our treasure.

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The plan is already in high gear.

The Senate immigration “reform” bill includes two “slush funds” amounting to $150 million dollars that may be supplemented with additional taxpayer dollars for years to come, earmarked for non-profit organizations such as the blood- thirsty La Raza.

America-hating Raza Studies teach (1) violence, (2) undermining US ntl security, and, (3) the need for Mexico to "re-take seven states in the Southwest...in order to make the SW a Chicano nation.

REFERENCE---LA RAZA TEACHING HATE-AMERICA WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS La Raza Studies do not even try to sugar-coat its anti-America agenda and its bloodthirsty plans to kill off Americans: Raza Studies textbook “Occupied America,” by Rodolfo Acuña, includes a violent and blood-curdling speech given by university professor Jose Angel Gutierrez: “We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is, if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him,” (pg. 323). La Raza's Occupied America textbook teaches: “.......execute all white males over age 16."

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THE NAME OF THE GAME--- they start in the schools---
to inculcate young minds---to decimate US culture and history
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Vote-crazed Obama's obsession w/ emptying out the Third World into the US is turning US schools into refugee camps........w/ big plans to inculcate the savage illiterates w/ hate-America, anti-American ideology....IOW reliable Democrat voters.

REALITY CHECK A primetime network news segment focused on an "impoverished" latino mother who paid big bucks to get her/ son coached to take the College Boards---but he was so stupid, he still couldn't pass them. So the C/B decided to "change" them so that Pedro could pass using subversive Third World hate-filled US history.

Subversive Texas Textbooks---distributed nationwide--- vilify conservative groups
Breitbart Texas | 09/10/2014 | Merrill Hope / FR Posted by Rusty0604

In 2006, uber-liberal "Texas Rising" stated its mission: "developing an emerging generation of social justice-minded, informed and engaged leaders is essential to the long-term health of our communities and the development of progressive public policy in Texas."

...a sneak peak at the preliminary Social Studies textbook findings TTT has found including distortions, omissions and half- truths all passing for accurate high school history..."The radical right consists of groups that sometimes gather under the flag of militant anticommunism."

"Often known as reactionaries, they denounce most forms of government regulation, including progressive taxation and restrictions and industry. Strangely enough, these radicals would not hesitate to use the government's police power to enforce the changes they desire. Examples of political groups on the radical right are the John Birch Society, the National States & Rights party, The Christian Crusade, and the Tea Party movement." (Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...

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THIRD WORLD INFILTRATION College Board exams changed history answers... revisionist historians developed different answers to the question of what America’s story is about. From their perspective, at the heart of our country’s history—like the history of any other powerful nation—lies the pursuit of empire, of dominion over others. At its core, say the revisionists, America’s history is about our capacity for self-delusion, our endless attempts to justify raw power grabs with pretty fairy-tales about democracy. ....

NOTE WELL: This terrifying Third World revisionism is straight out of Third World textbooks---emphasizing the T/W effort to undermine US ntl security for the coming armed takeover.

The conniving T/W uses an ancient formula going back to Greco-Roman times---where savages, barbarians and thieves overrun a bountiful country lusting after its power and riches.

REFERENCE Some 10 years back, Texas schools started used Mexican textbooks for their backward illiterate Spanish-speaking students. Textbooks advocated the Mexican perspective including:

<><> anti-white, anti-capitalist anti-USA viewpoints;

<><> Mexican textbooks falsified US history,

<><> proselytized blood-thirsty La Raza savagery;

<><> using teaching as brainwashing;

<><> inculcating violent separatist, latino supremacy ideology.

16 posted on 12/03/2014 4:14:34 AM PST by Liz
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To: All

Checks And Balances-—The Constitutional Structure For Limited And Balanced Government

The Constitution was devised with an ingenious and intricate built-in system of checks and balances to guard the people’s liberty against combinations of government power. It structured the Executive, Legislative, and Judiciary separate and wholly independent as to function, but coor­dinated for proper operation, with safeguards to prevent usurpations of power. Only by balancing each against the other two could freedom be preserved, said John Adams.

Another writer of the day summarized clearly the reasons for such checks and balances:

•”If the LEGISLATIVE and JUDICIAL powers are united, the MAKER of the law will also INTERPRET it (constitutionality).

•Should the EXECUTIVE and LEGISLATIVE powers be united... the EXECUTIVE power would make itself absolu te, and the government end in tyranny.

•Should the EXECUTIVE and JUDICIAL powers be united, the subject (citizen) would then have no permanent security of his person or property.

“INDEED, the dependence of any of these powers upon either of the others ... has so often been productive of such calamities... that the page of history seems to be one continued tale of human wretchedness.” (Theophilus Parsons, ESSEX RESULTS)

What were some of these checks and balances believed so important to individual liberty? Several are listed below:

•HOUSE (peoples representatives) is a check on SENATE - no statute becomes law without its approval.

•SENATE is a check on HOUSE - no statute becomes law without its approval. (Prior to 17th Amendment, SENATE was appointed by State legislatures as a protection for states’ rights - another check the Founders provided.)

•EXECUTIVE (President) can restrain both HOUSE and SENATE by using Veto Power.

•LEGISLATIVE (Congress - Senate & House) has a check on EXECUTIVE by being able to pass, with 2/3 majority, a bill over President’s veto.

•LEGISLATIVE has further check on EXECUTIVE through power of discrimination in appropriation of funds for operation of EXECUTIVE.

•EXECUTIVE (President) must have approval of SENATE in filling important posts in EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

•EXECUTIVE (President) must have approval of SENATE before treaties with foreign nations can be effective.

•LEGISLATIVE (Congress) can conduct investigations of EXECUTIVE to see if funds are properly expended and laws enforced.

•EXECUTIVE has further check on members of LEGISLATIVE (Congress) in using discretionary powers in decisions regarding establishment of military bases, building & improvement of navigable rivers, dams, interstate highways, etc., in districts of those members.

•JUDICIARY is check on LEGISLATIVE through its authority to review all laws and determine their constitutionality.

•LEGISLATIVE (Congress) has restraining power over JUDICIARY, with con­stitutional authority to restrict extent of its jurisdiction.

•LEGISLATIVE has power to impeach members of JUDICIARY guilty of treason, high crimes, or misdemeanors.

•EXECUTIVE (President) is check on JUDICIARY by having power to nominate new judges.

•LEGISLATIVE (Senate) is check on EXECUTIVE and JUDICIARY having power to approve/disapprove nominations of judges.

•LEGISLATIVE is check on JUDICIARY - having control of appropriations for operation of federal court system.

•LEGISLATIVE (Peoples Representatives) is check on both EXECUTIVE and J U DICIARY through power to initiate amendments to Constitution subject to approval by 3/4 of the States.

•LEGISLATIVE (Senate) has power to impeach EXECUTIVE (President) with concurrence of 2/3, of members.

•The PEOPLE, through their State representatives, may restrain the power of the federal LEGISLATURE if 3/4 of the States do not ratify proposed Constitu­tional Amendments.

•LEGISLATIVE, by Joint Resolution, can terminate certain powers granted to EXECUTIVE (President) (such as war powers) without his consent.

•It is the PEOPLE who have final check on both LEGISLATIVE and EX­ECUTIVE when they vote on their Representatives every 2 years, their Senators every 6 years, and their President every 4 years. Through those selections, they also influence the potential makeup of the JUDICIARY.

It is up to each generation to see that the integrity of the Constitutional structure for a free society is maintained by carefully preserving the system of checks and balances essential to limited and balanced government. “To preserve them (is) as necessary as to institute them,” said George Washington.

Footnote: Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part III: ISBN 0-937047-01-5


17 posted on 12/03/2014 4:17:02 AM PST by Liz
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To: skeeter

Herr Obama’s Open Borders are INCOMPATIBLE with the Welfare State! PERIOD.


18 posted on 12/03/2014 8:50:23 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The Founding Fathers? You mean those mean old white men who owned slaves? Hell, if they were alive today Obama would be a slave. To hell with them! /s /s /s /s just to make sure you know it’s sarcasm. Unfortunately, it’s exactly how the liberals think.


19 posted on 12/03/2014 9:01:08 AM PST by VerySadAmerican
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To: VerySadAmerican
if they were alive today Obama would be a slave. To hell with them!

No, he wouldn't (sarcasm aside) because his father was a free African and his mother was a free (deranged) white teenager.

20 posted on 12/03/2014 9:05:27 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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