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MSNBC COLUMN: Why I can’t believe Darren Wilson
MSNBC ^ | 11/28/2014 | Adam Howard

Posted on 11/28/2014 9:42:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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Wilson also testified that even after being shot and wounded several times, Brown continued to “charge” at him, with an intent to kill. “When he stopped, he turned, looked at me, made like a grunting noise and had the most intense, aggressive face I’ve ever seen on a person. When he looked at me, he then did like the hop … you know, like people do to start running,” Wilson testified.

It’s hard to fathom what is more absurd, the idea that a multiple gunshot wound victim would keep coming for more, or that a grand jury would believe it.

I’ve never been accosted by the police, which makes me something of a statistical oddity. I assume however that if I ever am, I would be terrified and I certainly wouldn’t attack an armed officer. I’m not a coward. It’s just that I just don’t have a death wish. And, contrary to some peoples’ opinions, neither do the overwhelming majority of African-Americans.

This is why it’s hard for many to understand Wilson’s story. Basic common sense tells us that if someone has a gun and you don’t, you don’t pick a fight with them and you certainly don’t run at them full speed with your arms out while being fired on. Brown tested positive for marijuana, but not for a drug that historically associated with aggressive behavior like PCP. Nothing in his history supports the notion that he was prone to sudden, heedless violence.

The concept of physically overpowering black males taunting police to shoot them feels like a myth while the prospect of being targeted by an overzealous white person, who’s finger is on the trigger, is a reality that plagues many African-Americans.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: asshat; darrenwilson; ferguson; michaelbrown; trayvons
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To: Dr. Sivana
He forgot to finish his sentence ... "OR THAT HIS STORY WOULD BE CORROBORATED BY BOTH BLACK AND WHITE EYEWITNESSES."

And the physical evidence.

The "reasoning" the author uses is hogwash, too. Adrenaline can keep you going far past what you'd assume is possible, one of the reasons shooters are taught to keep firing until the target goes down and stays there.

41 posted on 11/28/2014 10:23:20 AM PST by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Someone else is thinking like me, as the same idea was posted to Reddit.

Synthetic marijuana (a.k.a., “spice”) does not show up in traditional toxicology tests.

Anger, paranoia, and violence have been reported as a side effect of synthetic marijuana intoxication.

I wonder if Michael Brown may have also been smoking spice as well as weed that night.


42 posted on 11/28/2014 10:24:26 AM PST by magellan
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To: SeekAndFind
One question please ... were there other witnesses who CONTRADICTED the above corroborating witnesses?

Certainly there were contradictory witnesses. My understanding, which has not been well contradicted by pro-rioter sources is that their testimony was inconsistent, contradicted the other contradictory witnesses and/or the forensic evidence on major points.

In any event, my original observation was that the writer of the piece posted couldn't believe the cop's testimony, and I was pointing out that non-cops of several races without the same kind of interest in the outcome corroborated it, which should be even harder to believe from the writer's perspective.

Neither the original article writer or I would find it odd that someone would contradict the cop's testimony regardless of what it was, so your question, while pertinent in another context, really has nothing to do with the point I was making.
43 posted on 11/28/2014 10:25:58 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("If you're litigating against nuns, you've probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: SeekAndFind
All you need to know Tinkerbell. Michael Brown was a big dumb thug used to throwing his weight around. He almost got the cop's gun on the first try, so went back for more. He chose poorly.


44 posted on 11/28/2014 10:29:51 AM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: SeekAndFind

Adam Howard wasn’t there. He didn’t see what happened first hand and first of all, someone coming at you several times can pose a threat to your life.

In case he’s forgotten it, self-defense is a complete legal defense against murder. This is exactly what happened here. The Grand Jury found no reason to conclude, based on all the evidence presented to it, that Darren Wilson wasn’t anything but truthful.

What should be pointed out is all of Michael Brown’s witnesses lied, perjured themselves and changed the facts to fit their beliefs. All of that tells us a lot more about what Howard takes from the case than it says about the good man whose reputation and integrity he trashes.

Mr. Howard, you’re not fit to shine Mr. Wilson’s shoes.


45 posted on 11/28/2014 10:32:53 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: magellan

That stuff is pretty nasty too. I know on guy who uses it like breathing air, I guess he has gotten a tolerance of it, and I know a guy who spent 6 hours spacing out after a puff.

I don’t know why people are so stupid these days


46 posted on 11/28/2014 10:35:40 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: BunnySlippers

If it were a lie by the prosecutor, we would have heard about it.


47 posted on 11/28/2014 10:39:49 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The boy needs to follow up with an article, “Why It Isn’t Important Whether or Not I Believe Darrin Wilson.”


48 posted on 11/28/2014 10:43:58 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Remember! When the GOP wins, it means the stupid American voters want bipartisanship.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think there is another problem with the liberal elite when they analyze Michael Brown. Ezra Klein said Michael Brown was not a “hardened felon”, so his reported actions towards Darren Wilson do not make sense. I would say the opposite applies. A hardened felon probably would be cool towards the police to try to avoid conflict. A hardened felon, who knows the criminal justice system, probably does not have a death wish. He probably knows he can cop a plea.

This is the same sort of thought process from MSNBC.

I have a nephew (who is white), who had run-ins with the cops when he was Michael Brown’s age. He acted foolish towards the cops and resisted arrest. He learned from it.

I also knew plenty of black teenagers back when I was in high school 30 years ago who had anger issues, and had big chips on their shoulders, especially regarding white people, or authority figures.

The photos of Michael Brown flashing “gang signs” suggest not that he was a member of a gang, but that he had a chip on his shoulder when it came to authority.

Combine youth with testosterone with intoxication with “black rage”, and you could easily have behavior like Michael Brown’s.


49 posted on 11/28/2014 10:45:02 AM PST by magellan
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To: SeekAndFind
Adam Howard: This is why it’s hard for many to understand Wilson’s story. Basic common sense tells us that if someone has a gun and you don’t, you don’t pick a fight with them and you certainly don’t run at them full speed with your arms out while being fired on.

And yet, Mr. Howard, that's exactly what multiple witnesses said Michael Brown did. It wasn't just Darren Wilson saying so, of course.

Naturally, we'll both agree that if an unarmed person attempts to attack or charge an armed peace officer, despite numerous orders to cease and desist, that unarmed person would be imbued with industrial-strength stupidity. So stupid would such a person be, Mr. Howard, that I'm certain we would both question whether such a person could (or should) live outside an institutional setting. In fact, such a person would be so profoundly stupid that there would be some question as to whether he possessed enough gray matter to carry on basic autonomic activities such as breathing.

Given how we agree as we do, Mr. Howard, that Michael Brown was so stupid that he managed to inadvertently commit "suicide by cop," I hope I can enlist your assistance in changing the Mr. Brown's common sobriquet from "Unarmed Gentle Giant Mike Brown" to something far more accurately descriptive: "Big Stinkin' Stupid Mike Brown."

I'm sure I can count on your support in this initiative, in the interest of accuracy. ;-)
50 posted on 11/28/2014 10:45:10 AM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: miss marmelstein
Waistband is spelled “wasteband.”

Could be a Freudian slip. A "wasteband" would encircle waste.

51 posted on 11/28/2014 10:45:30 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Facts have smacked Booker, Obama, and all the race baiters for years...but for come causes, facts are inconvenient.


52 posted on 11/28/2014 10:49:58 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: SeekAndFind

Adam, you’re quite clearly an idiot.

Sit down. Shut up.

L


53 posted on 11/28/2014 10:51:24 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: greatvikingone

Erudite +1


54 posted on 11/28/2014 10:52:00 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: SeekAndFind
I keep seeing the same mentality. I am (color or ethnic group), and I don't act like that, therefore others who are (same color or ethnic group) couldn't have acted like that, because we're both (color or ethnic group). Therefore, (other color or ethnic group) collectively or individually did the (color or ethnic group) person wrong.

When (color or ethnic group) people get rid of the frigging hyphenations and become Americans, become individuals rather than identify themselves by their (color or ethnic group)ness, then they will be truly free of the slavery of identifying with and not daring to speak out against the thugs, the druggies, the hookers, and the other social dregs they feel obligated (or even forced by peer pressure) to defend.

What a weight that will be to get off their shoulders, to dump the anger fomented against (other color or ethnic group) people for defending themselves, their lives, their families, and their property, just as any decent (color or ethnic group) people would.

55 posted on 11/28/2014 10:53:19 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There was physical evidence that ....I can’t spell the word and spell check is not guessing it. ....cooberated his account. Plus some witnesses.


56 posted on 11/28/2014 10:57:06 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. MLK)
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To: SeekAndFind

Y sure can’t believe MSNBC!


57 posted on 11/28/2014 11:01:20 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SeekAndFind
It’s hard to fathom ... the idea that a multiple gunshot wound victim would keep coming for more...

In movies one shot drops the killer. In real life that happens sometimes but not often. In the real world killers often keep charging forward.

MSNBC should do 10 minutes of research before thy put out such drivel.

58 posted on 11/28/2014 11:03:35 AM PST by GOPJ (Stephanopoulos is a snake in the grass and a dem operative. Wilson should never have trusted him.)
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To: Ted Grant

Eh, okay. Must confess that I’m straining to see how your story applies to my original point. I assume you’re implying that Michael Brown acted irrationally and not Officer Wilson. In which case, I agree. But Mr. Brown did not seem to be very smart in the first place.

In any case, my original point is that the author of this blurb has decided that Wilson was in the wrong simply because Wilson is a white cop and Brown was a black teenager.


59 posted on 11/28/2014 11:12:27 AM PST by rbg81
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To: GOPJ

That’s part of the problem. Most of these libtards don’t understand real life outside of their bubble. If their Leftist friends at Starbucks agree it can’t happen, then case closed.


60 posted on 11/28/2014 11:14:09 AM PST by rbg81
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