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To: i_robot73

we need to keep a viable nation.... I believe in most individual liberties.

but staying in a drug induced stupor at the expense of the nation is not one of them. I am not sure how to legislate moderation. very sticky subject.

as a libertarian I assume you do not believe in welfare or most other social programs that bleed society (neither do I). but those programs currently exist. Therefore I would suggest that as long as they do exist, those who take advantage of my tax dollar funded freebies, not be eligible if they are substance abusers of any stripe (booze included) and would be required to take a urine and/or blood test to prove it at the time they sign for their check and/or service.


21 posted on 11/24/2014 11:02:34 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Actually, as someone who is not really a libertarian, but can relate to some of the libertarian ideas, I could get on board with that. I’ve even thought it should go further; for women on welfare, you get your monthly birth control shot, then you get your check. No more gaming the system by having babies to increase your handout. If you want another kid, get yourself a job and get off the dole.


22 posted on 11/24/2014 11:28:53 AM PST by stremba
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To: Vaquero

You’d be correct: No safety net; that drugged stupor you reference would matter not; nor would I need to worry about $$ spend on booze/smokes/etc. If biz/someone wishes to give their own property....be my guest. No drug test would be needed, unless those giving out so required.

Assuaging ones own guilt by using the power/force of gov’t to steal for those whom WON’T work is morally worse, IMHO.

You note a ‘viable’ nation...please define. We currently lack the reproduction numbers; we are already non-viable (mostly BECAUSE of anti-Liberty/Freedom gov’t)? Gov’t has a 120T+ unfunded liabilities debt. Again, non-viable.

Unfort., even here, there are a number of busy-body nanny-staters...As long as it is THEM being the King, there’s no wrong.


23 posted on 11/24/2014 11:37:20 AM PST by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: Vaquero
I would suggest that as long as they do exist, those who take advantage of my tax dollar funded freebies, not be eligible if they are substance abusers of any stripe (booze included) and would be required to take a urine and/or blood test to prove it at the time they sign for their check and/or service.

Absolutely - and people not taking taxpayer money should be free to do as they choose with their bloodstreams.

26 posted on 11/24/2014 1:48:33 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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