Posted on 11/20/2014 4:00:14 PM PST by the scotsman
Thanks for this, I did not know it! When I think of Polish contributions I think of Polish King Jan Sobieski defeating the forces of Islam at Vienna Sept. 11 1683. It ended the advance of Islam for centuries. That is why is why Osama picked that day. Like liberals , Mozlems are relentless and never forget.
Sorry for being sarcastic, but the case he was jailed for was a 17 year old working class kid from the slums. not a middle or upper class adult over age 18 who he met in a bar.
It hit a sore spot in me, because I see this going on here in the Philippines, having rich politicians/businessmen preying on poor youth (both male and female) because they are rich, and they can get away with it. Many of these kids are seduced by promises of money or go along with the sex out of fear of losing their job.
I understand but 1953 London wasn’t Manila, the act was consentual (today 17 would be legal), and to jail men for it even then was imo ridiculous.
Actually its ITV.
ITV is the other UK media/TV giant, along with the BBC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITV_(TV_network)
Actually, Arnold Murray, the man he had a homosexual relationship with was 19 years old and he was a blackmailer, so hardly an innocent 'working class kid'. Even the right-wing Daily Mail has acknowledged these facts:
'...Unfortunately, it was in Manchester that Turing's life began to unravel - for it was here, outside a cinema in January 1952, that he met a 19-year-old called Arnold Murray.
He was invited to Turing's modest Victorian home in Wilmslow, Cheshire, several times over the following weeks, spending at least one night there.
But Murray was to betray him. A friend of the young man burgled Turing's house, confident that the mathematician would never press charges for fear of being 'outed' as a homosexual, and well aware that in 1952 more than 1,600 men had been charged under the draconian 1885 Act.
But Murray and his friend misjudged Turing. He not only reported the crime to the police, but also confessed to a sexual relationship with Murray.
And so, in March 1952, he was given the choice of one year's imprisonment, or probation on the condition that he accepted chemical castration. Turing opted for the hormone injections, which took place every week for a year.
They transformed his body. The man who had run a marathon in 2 hours and 46 minutes - when the world record was 2 hours and 25 minutes - was reduced to a shadow of his former self. 'They've given me breasts,' he was reported to have said to a friend, describing the shameful process as 'horrible' and 'humiliating'...'
Shortly afterwards Turing committed suicide. Given that without his revolutionary cryptanalysis work we would probably have lost World War II he deserved better.
I stand corrected, but I suspect it wasn’t the first working class young man he just casually met on the street and invited home, but never mind. There are signals for such things in the gay community so maybe he wasn’t grooming a kid for abuse.
Leonardo DaVinci stupped young boys, as did Aristotle and Plato. And at the time Turing was “cruising” there was a gay clique of men who became spies for the Soviets, and no one bothered about their picadillos.
Saw the film yesterday, & I think it is great. I’m going to have to read a biography of Turing, however, because I was surprised that the film says that he revealed the scope of his work under questioning by the police. My understanding is that those Bletchley employees took that information to their graves. Was this just a “literary device” to move the story along?
And what was the “machine” in his home when he was arrested? It looked like the same machine. I don’t think Bletchley would have allowed him to take “Christopher” home with him at the end of the war.
Other than those 2 quibbles, I loved the film and I would see it again. I give it 5 stars.
I agree, the two instances you mention imo were plot devices.
I particularly liked the way his “fince” treated him with such kindness and understanding. I hope that part was true. :)
And what about his childhood friend’s death from “bovine tuberculosis”? If both the school and his parents knew about it for a long time, as declared in the movie, what was he doing in a residential school? Wasn’t he contagious?
Lucky man.
bttt
I saw it last night. Really good. Liked the way several periods were juxtaposed.
In my older age I’ve become fascinated with math. But I’m still intimidated by cryptology.
Glad you enjoyed it.
Now, there is the matter of my referral fee..........lol
I also really liked “The Theory of Everything”. Whereas I really don’t care much for Stephen Hawking, Eddie Redmayne’s performance bringing us into the abyss of ALS was just great. I think “Best Actor” goes right there.
(But Hawking is still a horndog.)
The criminalization of sodomy is the basis for all laws regarding homosexuality, like laws forbidding the adoption of children by homosexuals and laws forbidding the normalization of homosexuality in government schools.
We were played.
Persecution doesn't necessarily follow from criminalization. In the United States, no doors were ever broken down in a hunt for homosexuals.
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