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Utah revives plan for executions by firing squad
AP ^ | 11-19-14 | Michelle L. Price

Posted on 11/19/2014 7:54:51 PM PST by TurboZamboni

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Ten years after banning the use of firing squads in state executions, Utah lawmakers on Wednesday endorsed a proposal to allow the practice again to avoid problems with lethal-injection drugs.

The proposal from Republican Rep. Paul Ray of Clearfield would call for a firing squad if the state cannot obtain the lethal injection drugs 30 days before the scheduled execution.

Utah dropped firing squads out of concern about the media attention, but Ray said it's the most humane way to execute someone because the inmate dies instantly.

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To: Ouderkirk
I really don’t care if the condemned feels pain during the execution. As long is it is not pain for the sake of pain, but the pain of death is perfectly acceptable.

I agree totally but for the life of me I do not understand why the various states use methods of execution that are sometimes not effective.

It is not difficult to kill someone effectively and quickly without pain and at the same time not inflict violence on the body.

It can be done cheaply, effectively, painlessly and humanely. In addition it does not need the intervention of medical personnel nor the use of prescription drugs. The use of prescription drugs is controversial as is the use of medical personnel. The problem is the hippocratic oath. I respect that oath and will also abide by it.

The easiest and most effective way to put someone to death is "Freon." Freon the refrigerant is also a very powerful anesthetic. In fact chemical analogs of freon are used in anesthesia.

At high levels Freon will also cause heart arrhythmias. Put the bad guy in a chamber, and open a 25 pound bottle of Freon. The bad guy goes to sleep and his heart goes into an arrhythmia and he is dead.

21 posted on 11/19/2014 8:26:53 PM PST by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, GEOLOGIST, PILOT, PHARMACIST, LIBERTARIAN The Constitution is worth dying for.)
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To: JPG
Gary Gilmore had the choice of electrocution, hanging and firing squad. He chose firing squad and when asked why he didn't choose electrocution he said, "F'ers might not electrocute me right." When asked why not hanging he said, "F'ers might not hang me right."

But he knew from personal experience that shooting was hard to screw up.

In the summer of 1976, three months after he had served 11 years for armed robbery, Gilmore robbed and killed Orem service station attendant Max Jensen, 24, and Provo motel manager Bennie Bushnell, 25 on successive nights. The young men were ordered to lie down and then were shot in the head. Both were students at Brigham Young University; both left widows with infants. Debbie Bushnell, who held her husband's head in her lap as he died, gave birth to the couple's second child a few weeks after Gilmore's execution.

22 posted on 11/19/2014 8:27:10 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: TurboZamboni
nitrogen asphyxiation
23 posted on 11/19/2014 8:27:13 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

I think that CO2 would work just as well.


24 posted on 11/19/2014 8:30:31 PM PST by matthew fuller (Barak Hussein Obama (Benghazi Barry)- the first step into a thousand years of darkness.)
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To: stubernx98
Wait, what about drawing and quartering.

Problems with the horses, permits, and PETA.

Or burning at the stake?

EPA, nuff said ?

Or even better die how their victoms did.

Revenge is mine, saith the Lord. Why should we commit the same crimes they did ? How will that fix anything ?

The issue is that we have decided they can no longer be left alive, and the best thing is to do it, and do it quickly.

25 posted on 11/19/2014 8:30:34 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: matthew fuller
I think that I would choose a firing squad, if I was in that situation and had a choice. I am almost certain of it.

I'd go for it if they let you smoke a cigarette.

26 posted on 11/19/2014 8:31:44 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2

I’ve heard about botched, slow, ugly hangings. Not botched firing squads. Except for the Romanovs, but not many prisoners are wearing diamond-lined undergarments.

If I were being executed, I’d want the firing squad.


27 posted on 11/19/2014 8:34:40 PM PST by heartwood
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To: heartwood

And I hate the perversion of medicine with lethal injections.

Rope wasn’t invented to kill people with; neither was electricity. Guns were.


28 posted on 11/19/2014 8:36:23 PM PST by heartwood
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To: cpdiii
Put the bad guy in a chamber, and open a 25 pound bottle of Freon.

Uh... EPA. No permit, no freon. Then if you got it , it would he that new crappy freon and the condemned would probably suffer for a while before dying.

29 posted on 11/19/2014 8:38:06 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: matthew fuller

CO2 build up in the blood stream causes the sensation of oxygen deprivation. Using Nitrogen does not cause that effect. With nitrogen, the condemned just passes out. So that keeps the lawyers out of the picture. No “cruel and unusual” arguments.


30 posted on 11/19/2014 8:39:27 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: heartwood
I’ve heard about botched, slow, ugly hangings.

Well, yeah, back when things were handmade or cobbled together at the last moment that stuff does happen.

I'm pretty sure that now that we've been to the Moon, we can tie a rope correctly, coat it with teflon if necessary, and design a trap door that opens when we pull the lever.

31 posted on 11/19/2014 8:41:34 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: matthew fuller
I think that CO2 would work just as well.

Nasty way to go. I'd take nitrogen or helium asphyxiation any day.

32 posted on 11/19/2014 8:44:47 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet stays on the internet.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Some thick-necked small-headed death row bodybuilder is gonna slide right through the noose and take off running.

Just like my dog does with her collar. In a purely horizontal, unsuspended mode.


33 posted on 11/19/2014 8:51:32 PM PST by heartwood
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To: Ken H; taxcontrol

I’ve never been subjected to either one, just know that CO2 is an effective killer because of the natural occurences with lakes. I also know that freon does the same thing. Freon is, or was used as a fire extinguisher in some environments (computer rooms) and if the freon dumped, you had to get out.


34 posted on 11/19/2014 8:54:49 PM PST by matthew fuller (Barak Hussein Obama (Benghazi Barry)- the first step into a thousand years of darkness.)
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To: TurboZamboni
The proposal from Republican Rep. Paul Ray of Clearfield would call for a firing squad if the state cannot obtain the lethal injection drugs 30 days before the scheduled execution. Utah dropped firing squads out of concern about the media attention, but Ray said it's the most humane way to execute someone because the inmate dies instantly.

Some of that unwanted "media attention" was specifically on the Mormon historical belief in "blood atonement" and it's connection to firing squads being offered as a method of execution in the mostly-Mormon state.

Related threads:
Old and bloody tradition revived as Utah prepares firing squad
Firing squad in Utah may finally die - Utah studying changes in execution methods
Utah May End Executions by Firing Squad (Drats!)
Brigham Young on the Insufficiency of the Blood of Christ
Defense enters motion to suppress confession in murder trial [Defense excludes Mormons from jury]
'Blood atonement' issue delayed in Ogden murder trial
Mormon church statement on blood atonement

35 posted on 11/19/2014 8:56:19 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: C210N

Got anybody in mind?


36 posted on 11/19/2014 9:26:52 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: TurboZamboni
"Utah revives plan for executions by firing squad

Just in time for the post-obama era.


37 posted on 11/19/2014 9:27:36 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: clearcarbon

lolz


38 posted on 11/19/2014 9:32:25 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: matthew fuller

Was the fire suppressant freon or was it halon?


39 posted on 11/19/2014 9:47:19 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: C210N

I think public hanging for any state execution would be a good thing. It is fast, relatively quiet and earth friendly.


40 posted on 11/19/2014 9:54:13 PM PST by jospehm20
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