[palmer]

Its the cold summers that become a real problem.

Yes, the trough pattern continued more or less through this past summer. But when that pattern breaks, you will get your mild winter with a decent summer again. It's hard to tell when that is going to happen. Lots of factors involved, solar activity, PDO, etc.

[Justa]

"when that pattern breaks, you will get your mild winter with a decent summer again. It's hard to tell when that is going to happen. Lots of factors involved, solar activity, PDO, etc."

Here's the solar activity factor w/ prediction:

Enjoy the warmth ...while you can.