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Behind the G.O.P.’s Misleading Shutdown Statements
New York Times ^ | November 14, 2014 | By DAVID FIRESTONE

Posted on 11/14/2014 4:06:46 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

Senator Mitch McConnell said yesterday that he would not shut down the government, over immigration or anything else, after he takes over as Majority Leader in January. On the same day, Speaker John Boehner refused to rule out a shutdown. Both were being deceptive, but Mr. McConnell, as usual, was a little more clever about it.

The House produced last year’s government shutdown when it insisted on attaching the repeal of various parts of the Affordable Care Act to spending bills necessary to keep the government open. That was a huge embarrassment for Mr. Boehner, making his caucus appear feral and ungovernable, and he has no desire to repeat it.

During the last shutdown, the spending bills never reached the president’s desk for a veto, because the House’s demands were rejected by the Senate, and everything was blamed on “Congressional gridlock.” With Republican control of both chambers, things will be different, and a shutdown remains very much on the table.

(Excerpt) Read more at takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; election2014; illegalaliens; shutdown
STOP OBAMA.
1 posted on 11/14/2014 4:06:46 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Feral and ungovernable?

Only to Bolsheviks.


2 posted on 11/14/2014 4:12:03 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Republicans: “If you can keep your head about you when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you...” Rudyard Kiplings “IF” poem.


3 posted on 11/14/2014 4:16:53 PM PST by SierraWasp (Put a plastic shopping bag over the Governor's bald head!!! I signed the petition to overturn this!!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Republican controlled congress will not shut down the government. They will pass spending bills that Obama will veto because they do not include everything that Obama wants.


4 posted on 11/14/2014 4:29:35 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“.. a shutdown remains very much on the table.”

the house won a landslide - shut down didn’t hurt


5 posted on 11/14/2014 4:31:19 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“But if he can pin the shutdown on the president, then he can claim he wasn’t the one who closed the government’s doors.”

Sounds like good politics to me and besides, the previous “shutdowns” didn’t hurt the GOP.


6 posted on 11/14/2014 5:02:39 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

As Reagan would say: You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

The shutdown in Oct 2013 did not hurt the Republicans in the 2014 election.

Thus it seems logical to shutdown the Feds again and the conservative Republicans will win more elections in 2016.


7 posted on 11/14/2014 5:04:28 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The GOP should go ahead and tell the public that “they” won't shut down the government but “Obama” will if he vetoes the bills handed to him.
8 posted on 11/14/2014 5:10:35 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Yup. Far from hurting the Republicans, that shutdown led to the Republicans winning their biggest majority in the House in 80 years. Any shutdown that stops King Obamas dictatorial policies, especially on an illegal amnesty for illegal aliens, is not only good for America, its great for the GOP.


9 posted on 11/14/2014 5:21:22 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So maybe we have shutdown until the new congress takes office then Boehner and McConnell will be truthful. 2013 shutdown was over (supposedly) not funding a Constitutional law. This time it will be over not funding an unlawful enterprise.


10 posted on 11/14/2014 6:00:23 PM PST by Mike Darancette (AGW-e is the climate "Domino Theory")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Shutting down the federal gubment can, and should, happen! No harm when they ain’t there! (Save the WWII vets who were nearly turned away at the WWII Memorial)


11 posted on 11/14/2014 6:58:39 PM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: elpadre

I don’t trust them. McConnell will cave to Obama, just hide and watch.


12 posted on 11/14/2014 7:52:06 PM PST by abbastanza
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It was so embarrassing for the GOP that they curled into a little ball and had a landslide election victory. Poor NYT, their shutdown narrative just doesn’t fit the electoral reality that hit them in the face two weeks ago.

As for the GOP, get this if the ONE wants to shut down the gov as a result of trying to stop him from doing something hugely unpopular, so be it. Sure the MSM will blame the GOP. I suspect the public will not.


13 posted on 11/14/2014 10:52:29 PM PST by FlipWilson
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Strange. What looks principled to me looks feral to the NYT.


14 posted on 11/14/2014 10:54:12 PM PST by pluvmantelo (Democrats:the party of moral hazard, the IRS, the NSA and the heckler's veto)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Federal Government “shuts down” on National Holidays, Snow Days, Weekends and Obama’s Birthday (just kidding).

There is always a skeleton crew on the Job to cover Necessary and Required Government Duties, like those outlined in the Constitution of the United States.


15 posted on 11/14/2014 11:07:57 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (11/04/14, the day people finally realized that their Dictator is just a Dick..)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The power of the purse is very real though it has never been used. It has only ever been a bluff. It requires statesmen who are concerned only with the good of the republic, and who will stay the course.

The 1995 Gingrich shutdown was helpful only in that it demonstrated that a “republican majority” did not work, and that what was needed was a “conservative majority” in the House. That has never happened, and I am at a loss to see how it ever could.

The “republican majority” achieved its greatest triumph with the 2003 passage of the GW Bush Prescription Drug entitlement, a $7.5 trillion “unfunded obligation.” If you think we now are closer to that dream of a “conservative majority,” please show somehow that there is a movement among conservative freshmen in favor of repealing it.

The 2013 shutdown clarified the RINO position and energized them to defeat tea party candidates in the primaries. They believe that they have been successful, and it remains to be seen if conservatives have any counter moves.

While very thankful for principled conservatives in congress who are willing to fight, we should nevertheless remember that they will be naïve about what they can actually achieve and they will be unprepared for what our enemies do to win. Most importantly, they will be naïve about who those enemies are!

16 posted on 11/15/2014 11:56:58 AM PST by BDParrish (O God, please bless America!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

McConnell’s desire is to let Reid pass a year-long, no-strings-attached funding bill to completely abandon the constitutional role of Congressional oversight. The NY Times proves yet again that no matter how absurdly the Republican collaborate and surrender, they will get no good press out of it. So why do they keep trying?

The good news is that the House may not go along with it.


17 posted on 11/16/2014 7:04:01 AM PST by dangus
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