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ROOSEVELT WINS FOURTH TERM; RECORD POPULAR VOTE IS CLOSE; DEMOCRATS GAIN IN THE HOUSE (11/8/44)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 11/8/44 | Arthur Krock, Turner Catledge, George Horne, Lindesay Parrott, Harold Denny, Drew Middleton, more

Posted on 11/08/2014 4:18:54 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: history; milhist; realtime; worldwarii
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Interesting sounding free ebook:

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21 posted on 11/08/2014 8:33:23 AM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: henkster
"2. I do think “I was just following orders” is a defense for a military officer. That’s what they are supposed to do. It’s actually a cornerstone of our Republic. The military is meant to be the servant of the lawfully constituted civilian command authority."

There is institutionalized duplicity at work. The Germans who worked for Hitler against the Soviets as spies were brought into the OSS/OSI and then the CIA in '47. This was not publicized and was being done vigorously while the high profile Nazis were being tried and executed. We also brought Japanese researchers to the US to develop our NBC programs, and these devils were the ones who committed unspeakable atrocities on Chinese people. We also manned the rocket and space agenda with 'captured' German scientists. For America, duplicity is institutionalized.

22 posted on 11/08/2014 8:35:36 AM PST by MHGinTN
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To: henkster

I think it was MacArthur exacting a victor’s retribution.


In what little reading I did, it appeared to have been a hot potato. Went to the supreme court, the president, several military courts, etc. Finally went back to MacArthur. It did appear that Yamashito had some supporters.


23 posted on 11/08/2014 8:37:40 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: henkster

An interesting story as I reread my source:

In 1944, Yamashita was promoted to the rank of general and was sent to the Philippines to command the 14th Area Army in what was called the Army’s decisive battle against the United States. He boasted to the Japanese public that “the only words I spoke to the British Commander during negotiations for the surrender of Singapore were, ‘All I want to hear from you is yes or no.’ I expect to put the same question to [Douglas] MacArthur.” MacArthur’s response to him, as written in MacArthur’s memoir, was that Yamashita was an able commander, but “he talked too much”.


24 posted on 11/08/2014 8:48:04 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
German dispositions in the Aachen sector today:

8 Nove 44 Aachen photo 8Nov44Aachen_zps6f543bb6.jpg

German dispositions in the Ardennes today:

8 Nov 44 Ardennes photo 8Nov44Ardennes_zps200e14be.jpg

German dispositions in Lorraine:

8 Nov 44 Lorraine photo 8Nov44Lorraine_zpsabf3e161.jpg

25 posted on 11/08/2014 8:48:10 AM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
A reference here: ◾For the first time, Hitler did not appear at the celebration of the Beer Hall Putsch anniversary; instead, he had Himmler read his speech for him. http://ww2db.com/event/today/
26 posted on 11/08/2014 8:58:04 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: henkster
It does seem odd that Yamashita was tried and executed while many other Japanese war criminals went free. It is doubtless true that the Allies committed some war crimes but they are in no way comparable to the conduct of the Japanese or Nazis. The conduct of the Japanese military and the German SS was both intensely criminal and officially sanctioned.

“we should not have taken them as prisoners.” Under international law and treaty, by not wearing the uniform of a foreign nation, when they take up arms against the armed forces of the United States, they are not entitled to any protection of any kind whatsoever. Including the right to be taken prisoner.

Quite correct. Al Qaeda/ISIS type guerrillas should not be considered POW's or civil criminals. The Geneva Conventions apply to those captured in uniform with rank insignia. There may be intelligence reasons for capturing them alive. They should be tried by military commission and executed, with suitable exceptions for those who provide valuable intelligence.

27 posted on 11/08/2014 9:45:03 AM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Lol. Florida and Kansas had the same number of electoral votes.


28 posted on 11/08/2014 11:18:24 AM PST by fhayek
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To: PeterPrinciple

At this time of the war if obama had been elected then the Germans and the Japanese would eventually win WW2


29 posted on 11/08/2014 12:04:03 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: iowamark

Here’s some German war crimes that went unpunished as well.

Hadn’t heard this story until today.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3224947/posts


30 posted on 11/08/2014 5:38:15 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Polling: The art of discerning if the people were fooled by your last poll.)
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To: henkster; PeterPrinciple; Homer_J_Simpson
I made a quick perusal of the opinion you linked, and I tend to agree that the dissents had the better arguments. It's a shame because it seems to me a lot of Japanese war criminals were not prosecuted. That should have been the priority over this flimsy one.

Interestingly, Justice Murphy also dissented in Koramatsu, the case finding the Japanese internment constitutional.

31 posted on 11/10/2014 12:21:15 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

it seems to me a lot of Japanese war criminals were not prosecuted.


Notice how much he is in the news? The one reference talked about how much the Filipinos hated him. The Japanese used him a lot in their propaganda.

MacArthur probably said it best, “He talks too much.” (and got noticed)


32 posted on 11/10/2014 1:11:34 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

The Filipinos hated just about all the Japanese. There wasn’t much “co” in the Co-Prosperity Sphere.


33 posted on 11/10/2014 2:58:00 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

If Justice Murphy was on the Supreme Court today. FReepers would hate him. Too liberal. However, sometimes I wonder about us. Murphy believed in standing up for the rights of the accused against the State which is the ultimate protection of individual liberty. But those conversations are for another time.

I agree that the really culpable Japanese leaders escaped justice (cough cough “Hirohoto” cough cough) and otherwise honorable scapegoats like Yamashota went under the bus. Well even in victory and retribution, there’s politics.


34 posted on 11/10/2014 5:12:28 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: henkster
Frankfurter didn't like Murphy for much the same reason, plus he thought Murphy was a lightweight. It's really hard to compare a pre-Warren Court with post-Warren Courts. Everything changed - but you're right, that's another conversation.

Did you see The Railway Man? Very interesting movie based on a true story of a British POW in a Japanese camp during WWII. Obviously, it's not a light afternoon at the cinema, but I found it very interesting.

35 posted on 11/10/2014 6:05:47 PM PST by colorado tanker
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