Posted on 10/26/2014 11:25:52 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
precisely and only nut jobs want to try and keep up with one of the finest fighting forces on earth
Agree.
I didn’t mean to say that the forces were nut jobs....they are dedicated and well trained but this need to ‘do everything a man does’ is insane
One of the primary concepts of leadership is that you won’t ask another to do something you won’t/can’t do yourself.
If someone doesn’t qualify for any job, they shouldn’t do it. I don’t care who they are, but if someone below standard is there, they put other team members at risk. Another example of how political correctness is killing us. I don’t mind what the figures are, I understand there are differences. So long as people actually pass the tests, that is the part that is really important to me.
Isn’t the the point of most of the comments in this thread? It appears writers here do not want women in combat, maybe not in the military to begin with, maybe not as equals in society. Thus, we see lots of sarcastic and demeaning comments to this end.
I’d like to think there is no conservative war on women, but discussion threads like this suggest otherwise.
The sarcastic and, especially demeaning comments put conservatives in a very bad light. Blurs the differences between conservatives and liberals.
How about a reasoned, intellectually honest, and respectful discussion on the role of women without demeaning comments?
1. Should not be in combat?
2. Should women be in military at all?
3. Should women be equal members of society?
I ask these respectfully as I think these are the core questions at play here. What do you think the conservative vs. liberal view of each is? Are you sure? What is your view?
I’ll play:
1. Yes, women should be in combat and we need to find ways to do so respectfully in ways that do not endanger them, their colleagues, the mission, the service, or the country.
2. Yes, women should be in the military. For example, if conscription was again implemented, both men and women should be equally conscripted.
3. Yes, women are and should be equal members of society.
And, yes, I am quite conservative. I don’t question anyone’s conservative credentials, belittle there comments, and have no respect for anyone who takes that tact as the means to dismiss another’s comments.
Well said. I am a woman veteran and there are just many jobs that are better left to men, no matter what.
The left is all about upholding delusions. A same-sex white couple sued a sperm bank because the child turned out to be half black and it didn’t match the delusion that both women were its parents. The left will gladly push to lower military standards to get people into the military who shouldn’t be there. I, while being a man, still have issues that would be exacerbated by combat trauma and the possibility of having to be on my own for periods of time without medication. That being said, I do enough good where I am in the construction business as an electrician where I DO qualify physically and academically for the job. Other people in the military units don’t need to be put uneasy for unknown potential liabilities that a person such as myself may have.
My secret plan is to round up tween- and teen-age females, between, say 12 and 16 and send them over to the trouble spots in droves. I don’t think too many could withstand an assault like that. (required just kidding disclaimer!)
According to the army manuals I’ve read nobody is carrying 124 lb packs.
“And the fact is they can’t meet the physical requirements that combat demands.”
Few is different from none. The key here is that there should be a common standard set, and if you can’t make the standards, then you shouldn’t be there.
However, with the liberal mindset, they tend not to understand that the majority of soldiers will be men for a number of reasons, one is that a small fraction of women can make the standards.
The test is supposed to be harder than the usual burden you deal with everyday. In combat, emergencies can happen, where the need to carry more weight than your pack could happen, and you could need to bear over 100 lbs of force from your fellow soldier, whether you are fully carrying, or supporting a limping soldier.
They didn’t want to lower the standards any further??
“...The Marines, like all services, need to find ways to bring women into combat.”
Only those who can show that they can pass the same test as everyone else.
Yes I know. Many articles about Marines and army weight loads.
So, in the interest of equality we must incorporate women into the Marines, but it’s insane to expect a woman to do everything a man does, meaning that the men will be shifted entirely to the front lines in the event of war and die, whether they’re all that fit for it or not.
And, this is because putatively equal women are less capable than even these less capable men are, but we must pretend that they’re “equal,” is what that means. Not all that different from being forced to pretend that a butchered man is a woman or vice versa.
Pardon me, but that’s what’s insane. Die for equality dudes, the illusion has to be maintained at all cost, and you’re it.
It’s put up or shut up to me, if equality is all that important then be equal, don’t cling to the aspects of gentlemanly behavior that are favorable to females, while haranguing about destroying the ones females feel are limiting. Isn’t that called hypocrisy?
I believe it is. It’s not just in the military, either.
Um.no. They do not need to. Haven't they lowered the standards enough? Fewer chin-ups, fewer push-ups, fewer situps, lower walls to climb over...
Maybe they should join the Peace Corps
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