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Japanese Style Deflation Headed to Europe and America?
Townhall.com ^ | October 25, 2014 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 10/25/2014 10:13:02 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 10/25/2014 10:13:02 AM PDT by Kaslin
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Why don’t the Japanese want to have sex and make babies?


2 posted on 10/25/2014 10:19:24 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Kaslin; expat_panama; Lurkina.n.Learnin; Wyatt's Torch
Lot's of deflation talk lately.
3 posted on 10/25/2014 10:34:19 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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Japan has a debt-to-GDP ratio of 250%, highest of any major developed country, as a direct consequence of fighting deflation. I had no idea!
4 posted on 10/25/2014 10:35:28 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Why don’t the Japanese want to have sex and make babies?

Greedy, selfish? Maybe they figure kids are too expensive to raise. There's lots of people here who bought into that notion, except here they have the sex and then kill/abort the babies.

5 posted on 10/25/2014 11:17:13 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: Chgogal
Lot's of deflation talk lately.

Talk is cheap but prices keep rising.

Bacon, hot dogs chuck steak over $5 a pound - that's not deflation.


6 posted on 10/25/2014 11:25:39 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Legacy of 'Obama The Divider' - Racial Revenge)
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they keep printing and the money becomes worth less and less which shows as prices rising


7 posted on 10/25/2014 11:31:05 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Cowboy Bob
One of each please.

Blnk
8 posted on 10/25/2014 12:23:12 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Kaslin

Stagflation.


9 posted on 10/25/2014 1:21:17 PM PDT by spokeshave (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people,)
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To: minnesota_bound

Good one!

I think I’ll go Japanese.


10 posted on 10/25/2014 2:05:48 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Iron Munro; Chgogal; MileHi
Lot's of deflation talk lately.

...Bacon, hot dogs chuck steak over $5 a pound - that's not deflation.

imho this is the real problem --not the beef price, the talk;  too many people have decided they know it all.  We're hearing on this thread that it income cuts, falling gas prices, nothing matters if beef prices went up because rising beef prices mean inflation no matter what.   At the same time we're hearing on this thread that beef prices can go up even when the jump brings up over-all averages --and it's not inflation if "supply and demand" are involved. 

What's happening in the U.S. is that for a couple of months now average general prices are down, and that's deflation.  OK, so food prices are up, but most spending is for stuff w/ prices falling enough to make up for food.  Deflation is deadly to economic growth, and on top of that policy makers who should know better often let public opinion cloud their judgment.

11 posted on 10/25/2014 2:07:41 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Cowboy Bob
"Why don’t the Japanese want to have sex and make babies?"

The women are telling the guys to bugger off.

There are now more adult diapers sold in Japan that there are infant diapers. Says a lot.

See, they should just throw open their borders like us and let anyone that wants just stroll in.

12 posted on 10/25/2014 2:22:04 PM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: expat_panama
What's happening in the U.S. is that for a couple of months now average general prices are down, and that's deflation.

Government CPI numbers are a hoax as long as they don't include food and energy.

The government doesn't include either because they are "too volitile".
Isn't price volatility what the CPI purports to measure?

Items like LED TVs might be down in price but people might buy one every five years or so.
We buy food, fuel and electric every day.

Every type of meat is sky high - most double or more.

Gasoline is still almost $3.00 a gallon.
In the weeks before Obama was first elected I bought it for $1.50 to $1.59.

Electricity is constantly going up and that is an intentional increase by the administration.
Obama said he would shut down coal mines and coal generation and he has done just that, driving prices up and up.
But that doesn't show on the CPI either.


13 posted on 10/25/2014 2:45:55 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Legacy of 'Obama The Divider' - Racial Revenge)
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To: expat_panama
At the same time we're hearing on this thread that beef prices can go up even when the jump brings up over-all averages --and it's not inflation if "supply and demand" are involved.

Yes you are hearing that. Inflation is a reduction in the purchasing power of the monetary unit (dollar). That has nothing to do with a reduction in the quantity of goods available, that IS supply and demand.

I'm not arguing that their isn't inflation, just that you understand it even less than I do.

14 posted on 10/25/2014 4:30:12 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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Japan has a set of regional/county borders that allocate votes. The farmers in one county may have up to ten times the representation of the city voters.
And one of their actions has been extreme protection of the Japanese agricultural sector - including preventing construction of housing on agricultural land.
I met a ham radio operator from Japan who explained you could either have a wife and kids or a ham radio room in Japan, unless you were rich to have both. Housing is UBER-expensive for many Japanese as a result, which has a contraceptive effect. You might manage one kid in a rabbit hutch apartment, but not two.


15 posted on 10/25/2014 4:55:04 PM PDT by tbw2
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Reason is very expensive in Japan right now to raise a family


16 posted on 10/25/2014 5:14:42 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: MileHi
....not arguing that their isn't inflation, just that you understand it even less than I...

Sounds great and we got a deal.   We say it's inflation and we end the conversation even while you think poorly of my expertise --is this a great forum or what!?!

17 posted on 10/25/2014 8:00:03 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Iron Munro
Government CPI numbers are a hoax as long as they don't include food and energy.

That's what lots of folks say --I've even heard Rush Limbaugh say that on the air.  fwiw, this is from the bls.gov site

Has the BLS removed food or energy prices in its official measure of inflation?

No. The BLS publishes thousands of CPI indexes each month, including the headline All Items CPI for All Urban Consumers (CPI-U) and the CPI-U for All Items Less Food and Energy. The latter series, widely referred to as the "core" CPI, is closely watched by many economic analysts and policymakers under the belief that food and energy prices are volatile and are subject to price shocks that cannot be damped through monetary policy. However, all consumer goods and services, including food and energy, are represented in the headline CPI.

Most importantly, none of the prominent legislated uses of the CPI excludes food and energy. Social security and federal retirement benefits are updated each year for inflation by the All Items CPI for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers (CPI-W). Individual income tax parameters and Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) returns are based on the All Items CPI-U.


18 posted on 10/25/2014 8:08:16 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
This

http://useconomy.about.com/od/pricing/f/Inflation.htm

would seem to agree with you, at least by one of the three definitions of inflation it gives, so I will defer to your expertise.

19 posted on 10/26/2014 7:25:47 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi
What Is Inflation? Causes, Types and How It's Measured

Great link --thanks!  The links popping up on the pages were fun too:

What Is Deflation? Definition, Causes and Why It's Bad

Inflation Rate Targeting Why a Little Inflation Is a Good Thing


20 posted on 10/26/2014 8:01:16 AM PDT by expat_panama
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