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Kyle’s Extra Credit Assignment
Townhall.com ^ | October 24, 2014 | Mike Adams

Posted on 10/24/2014 8:09:13 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Vigilanteman
thinks that the student was trying to get something for nothing, which isn't true

It is not? You know "Kyle"?

61 posted on 10/24/2014 10:08:20 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: KosmicKitty
And this semester, I stopped giving all extra credit.

good for you and for your students.

Tell them right up front. "No extra credit, no second chances for bad work - it wouldn't be fair to those who did it right the first time. It wouldn't be justice. If you do not pay attention and do the work, you'll fail."

62 posted on 10/24/2014 10:11:07 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
And sarcasm by definition is a low blow. Remember that Adams took on the mantle of Christ when he declared Christian faith.

If it really is delivered in a mean-spirited way into the face of another; but this is a fictional student who has behaved in an exasperating fashion. No need to be a Holy Christian martyr when writing ironically about it as a help to the many students who read his columns and consider signing up for his courses and who might be tempted to use lame excuses after slacking off all semester. No one is forcing students to study with Adams; they register for his courses. He is not teaching required basic courses for the entire student body -- he is teaching majors in criminal justice. Justice on earth involves consequences for one's choices, no matter how much Christian forgiveness may be sought or felt. A repentant murderer is forgiven by God, but must still go to prison on earth.

63 posted on 10/24/2014 10:12:14 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: GeronL

No I don’t. But, at worst, he may be the equivalent of one of those squeegee guys who washes somebody’s car window in return for pocket change. A lowlife, probably, but still a step above those just asking for handouts for doing nothing.


64 posted on 10/24/2014 10:12:50 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: caligatrux
I think it would have been reported in the form of a lawsuit filed by the student's parents if it had actually happened.

University students are adults. Their parents get to pay for their education, but do not get to sue on their behalf. This piece of Adams' writing is satire, like about 90% of the rest of his writing.

65 posted on 10/24/2014 10:14:23 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Apparently this is a student who has failed to do his work properly all semester sand wants “extra credit” to get a barely passing grade. In a Criminal Justice class. From the description the injustice would be “Kyle” passing.


66 posted on 10/24/2014 10:17:29 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: xzins
I thought conservatives opposed tenure for teachers and favored evaluations, student grades, and student progress.

in the context of his lawsuit, he was denied tenure even though many others received it (and the pay raise it brings) who had fewer students, fewer favorable evaluations, fewer publications, and less well-subscribed classes. The denial was based on specific points culled from his writings that showed his conservative point of view. So his suit was about tenure only in the context of fighting the obvious point-of-view discrimination against a conservative. It was a important victory for our side.

67 posted on 10/24/2014 10:23:02 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: Ray76

There’s a marked difference between students who worked hard and are seeking grade improvement insofar as their results were insufficient, vs. students who just didn’t do the work and are looking for a quick way to pass (as opposed to learn).

Seems the “Kyle” above was the latter; this was explained in the OP.
When a student is the former, the instructor will often go to great lengths to accommodate (for one, I assigned “explain why the wrong (multiple-choice) answers on the final exam are in fact wrong” - and graded it whilst my wife was in labor).


68 posted on 10/24/2014 10:29:17 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (You know what, just do it.)
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To: austinaero

If I recall correctly, Dr. Adams admits that in decades past, he was a drunken, no-good layabout.

He subsequently came to realize there was no future in that course of behavior, and changed.


69 posted on 10/24/2014 10:30:01 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Leaning Right

“The student, “Kyle”, did not ask for extra points. He asked for extra credit. That’s sort of like asked your boss for extra hours.”

The article notes that it’s sort of like asked your boss for extra hours (paid, of course) after loafing for most of the week/month. (Yes, a lot of people do that.)


70 posted on 10/24/2014 10:32:09 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (You know what, just do it.)
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To: Defiant

And miss a great opportunity to teach a life lesson about slacking (and abusing shortcuts to just get by)?


71 posted on 10/24/2014 10:34:52 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (You know what, just do it.)
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To: austinaero

In particular, read about “Virginia Rester” here:

http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2014/10/16/ten-at-fifty-part-ii-n1905651/page/2


72 posted on 10/24/2014 10:38:52 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: IronJack

Instructor noted that it wasn’t “bending the rules to accommodate”, it was that the kid is [ab]using the diagnosis to his advantage instead of learning the material.


73 posted on 10/24/2014 10:39:37 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (You know what, just do it.)
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To: Albion Wilde

I have no doubt that discrimination took place against him because of his conservative views. My sense is that was the reason tenure has always been argued for in academic circles. Now, it’s extraordinary that he had to fight to prove his bonafides, and that the security of tenure was what was being withheld from him because the establishment did not want him to have the security of tenure and did want to censure his views. I’m glad he overcame. However, I’m also glad that he now has the security of tenure which originally was designed to protect those who had unpopular views.

I’m quite sure that if his retention of tenure becomes based on ‘evaluations’ from his administrators that he will soon be out on his ear. They will make the evaluations unfair.


74 posted on 10/24/2014 10:42:46 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Albion Wilde
He is educating people who demand all the rights of adulthood; why should he baby them?

I wouldn't talk to a 50 year old that way. People of all ages deserve professionalism.

Their future employers would not want an employee who repeatedly goofs off, gets warned that they are about to lose their job, and then wants to do something extra at the last minute to save their butt, invoking the disability card.

They also wouldn't want somebody who learned that when a perceived question is judged to be silly or wrong, to respond with sarcastic, snarky answers. Maybe the only thing the kid is learning is how to be a jerk.
75 posted on 10/24/2014 11:02:09 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: GeronL
This is teaching. people to act in a nonprofessional, condescending manner towards those they may perceive as "slackers".
76 posted on 10/24/2014 11:04:11 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Albion Wilde
You apparently have posted your opinion based on a snap judgment of one piece of writing you took literally, instead of as he intended it -- as a metaphor for discussing a certain type of student.

I did that. My posts are based on the writing in a literal sense only.

As a metaphor, and as satire, I'm fine with it. Heck, I share his sentiments. I simply would not literally address it to a student that way.
77 posted on 10/24/2014 11:11:48 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Albion Wilde
You apparently have posted your opinion based on a snap judgment of one piece of writing you took literally

Well, of course. My stated opinion is in reference to the incident discussed on the article. I strongly object to Adams' behavior in that case.

he intended it -- as a metaphor for discussing a certain type of student

Now that would be of some value, if "Kyle" did not actually exist, and the whole thing was some sort of morality play.

I was trained as a chemist, trained to be coldly analytical. I often take things literally, unless it's carefully spelled out otherwise!

78 posted on 10/24/2014 11:18:12 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>> Some folks rank moralizing above everything that makes God who He is.

True, and I place you square in the middle of that cohort of folks.


79 posted on 10/24/2014 11:59:09 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed is his demon)
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To: Leaning Right

You have obviously never read any of Mike Adam’s columns. Many are satire, he is pro-live and he does like homos


80 posted on 10/24/2014 11:59:58 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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