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Pennsylvania Senate passes last minute gun preemption measure (Woohoo!)
Guns.com ^

Posted on 10/21/2014 2:30:49 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA

After earlier versions of an amendment to allow individuals and concerned groups to take cities and counties into court over gun laws stronger than the state’s were derailed, a version added to a metals theft bill passed late Wednesday.

The measure, entered as an amendment to House Bill 80, had drawn complaints from gun control advocates due to its structure. As outlined in the language of the act, which passed by a 32-16 vote, groups such as the National Rifle Association can stand in for local citizens in challenging ordinances in court. Lawmakers backing the move argue that it’s a simple matter of protecting constitutional rights.

“This is a good bill, the right bill for Pennsylvania, to protect second amendment and the rights of law abiding citizens of Pennsylvania,” said Sen. Rich Alloway, R-Franklin, the amendment’s sponsor. “This is about individual rights.”

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KEYWORDS: banglist; pa
Now municipalities cannot make their own gun laws! Well, they can if they want to be sued.

PA Constitution Section 21 The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned

1 posted on 10/21/2014 2:30:49 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

Alloway’s amendment is a simple three-page device to codify allowing “a membership organization” to stand in for a “person adversely affected” by local municipal and county laws that are in excess of those already on the state’s books. This would allow organizations like the National Rifle Association and others to become primary plaintiffs in suits to overturn those laws and to recover legal expenses if successful. This has some senate Democrats seeing red.

“It is unprecedented in Pennsylvania jurisprudence…and across the nation,” said Sen. Larry Farnese (D) “We’re making history tonight. We are conferring rights and privileges to citizens of the United States to an association.”

Gun rights groups, who endorsed the measure, see it as a means to help homogenize gun laws in the Keystone State.


2 posted on 10/21/2014 2:31:37 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

US Constitution....
“..the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...”

(Last I heard, Pennsylvania was supposedly still in US of A? Let’s see if her politicians realize this...?)


3 posted on 10/21/2014 2:44:08 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..) u)
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“It is unprecedented in Pennsylvania jurisprudence…and across the nation,” said Sen. Larry Farnese (D) “We’re making history tonight. We are conferring rights and privileges to citizens of the United States to an association.”

What a LIAR, Member Organizations have been doing this forever on civil rights and consumer protection laws.
see NAACP,ACLU


4 posted on 10/21/2014 2:45:43 PM PDT by eyeamok
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Environmentalist whackjob outfits, like WWF, EDF, Greenpeace, etc, have had special standing to sue for Environmental regulations since 1967. That’s almost 50 years now. Nothing new.


5 posted on 10/21/2014 2:56:56 PM PDT by FredZarguna (His first name is 'Unarmed,' and his given middle name is 'Teenager.')
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To: faithhopecharity
Pennsylvania's RKBA recognition is broader than the Federal one, and existed before the US Constitution.
6 posted on 10/21/2014 2:58:14 PM PDT by FredZarguna (His first name is 'Unarmed,' and his given middle name is 'Teenager.')
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They don’t mind when unions get legal rights and privileges as citizens do. Or any other leftist ngo group.


7 posted on 10/21/2014 3:01:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Don’t forget ACLU.


8 posted on 10/21/2014 3:01:41 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Well, they can if they want to be sued.

It turns the leftists favorite tactic back on them.

leftists use the threat of expensive legal battles to suppress religious freedom, freedom of speech, opposition to unconstitutional tyranny and anything else that they find disagreeable.

To some extent this gives supporters of the 2nd amendment the high ground against local gun control fanatics.


9 posted on 10/21/2014 3:21:48 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Legacy of 'Obama The Divider' - Racial Revenge Running Rampant)
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To: FredZarguna

If it wasn’t for the ability to collect TAXPAYER funds for Inflated Legal Expenses as a result of these types of lawsuits, every group we both mentioned would be OUT OF BUSINESS


10 posted on 10/21/2014 3:21:49 PM PDT by eyeamok
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Funny how the MSM gets so pissy over this, yet cheers when envirowhacko groups like Greenpeace and Earth First! automatically have standing in Federal lawsuits.

The commie-libs problem with this is that THEIR people don't have standing.

11 posted on 10/21/2014 4:04:47 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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That sounds great!! Thanks for the info. Let’s hope the PA politicos honor their commonwealth’s constitution.


12 posted on 10/21/2014 4:48:35 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..) u)
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US Constitution.... “..the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...” Quite right. my understanding is that the use of the verb shall - not will, can, may, might, or any other - is the strongest imperative. End of discussion. That's all folks. The Founders knew their grammar and meant what they wrote. However, how many know that detail, and do they care?
13 posted on 10/21/2014 6:03:00 PM PDT by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: Red in Blue PA

They never were allowed to do so. Now it is easier to sue them.


14 posted on 10/21/2014 6:47:24 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: faithhopecharity
Let’s hope the PA politicos honor their commonwealth’s constitution.

If they don't, they get sued. Period.
15 posted on 10/21/2014 7:08:05 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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That’s cool.


16 posted on 10/21/2014 7:09:45 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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