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Investment & Finance Thread Market Bounce Re-cap
Weekly investment & finance thread ^ | Oct. 19, 2014 | Freeper Investors

Posted on 10/19/2014 11:18:38 AM PDT by expat_panama

This past week saw upside reversals across the board coming out with prices holding steady in spite of the hammering we had over the past month or two. 

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The October metals rally held on to its gains, in fact market prices show gold's just about clawed back to break-even for 2014.  That's said, metals' role in price trends ahead is become increasingly controversial (re Gold And Silver - Financial World: House Of Cards Built On Sand) even while many see a bright tomorrow with other commodities (We Maintain Our Outlook For Higher Prices For Commodities).

 

Stocks.  OK, so IBD won't call it an "uptrend" (the follow-through has got to be no earlier than the fourth day of the rebound or it ain't official), but the upside surge was led by leading stock leaders.  They call them 'leading' stocks for a reason.  Well, sometimes they call 'em 'bellwether' stocks but the term makes me nervous 'cause a bellwether is often the animal trained to lead the mindless unquestioning herd into the meat packing plant.

I digress.

So we've been in "market in correction" for a while and we punched down through the famous 200-day moving average, so for 2014 it really is a big deal.  Maybe that says more about how spoiled we've been getting lately.  I mean the earlier swings over the past half decade kind of make these past two years seem well, nice.

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The big question of course is whether stock indexes are right now 'over priced' or not, and for that I like to compare say, the S&P500 to total U.S. corp. net worth.  Someone correct me if they see anything I don't but I honestly think they've been tracking together since the last decade's high.  Not only that, but recent growth seems actually subdued --check out this 1950-2014 plot showing total corp networth and how the trend in raising business capital has been more and more turning away from bonds over into stocks.

Also on that note.  Please forgive my broken record but it has got to mean something that historic American growth for corp net worth has always been over 7% yearly, but since 2007 growth has only averaged a paltry one percent.

This is the thread where folks swap ideas on savings and investment --here's a list of popular investing links that freepers have posted here and tomorrow morning we'll go on with our--

Open invitation continues always for idea-input for the thread, this being a joint effort works well.   Keywords: financial, WallStreet, stockmarket, economy.

 


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; financial; stockmarket; wallstreet
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To: Wyatt's Torch; expat_panama; Drago
Warren Buffett just lost one billion on this
41 posted on 10/20/2014 6:27:25 PM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: A Cyrenian; abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; aposiopetic; Aquamarine; ...
 
 

Tuesday, October 21, 2014

  Markets   yesterday   today
         
  metals   Gold continuing up to $1,245.85 & silver to $17.37    Futures @ 3 hrs. before opening +0.38%
         
  stocks   (from here) Nasdaq jumped nearly 1.4% on the fourth day of its rally attempt. Normally, that would be a strong enough gain to qualify as a follow-through day, but NYSE and Nasdaq volumes were well below Friday's levels.   Futures +0.07%

Only big report today is Existing Home Sales.

Brighter China data fails to lift stocks, dollar sags Reuters - 10 hours ago LONDON (Reuters) - A two-day rebound in global shares slowed and the dollar edged lower on Tuesday, as slightly above forecast Chinese growth data failed to erase concerns that the world's second-biggest economy is losing momentum.

Gold Goes Up As U.S. Dollar Falls Down  Gold futures rose as the U.S. Last week’s stock market turmoil was a boon for gold prices. Gold and stocks tend to move in opposite directions as the precious metal is seen as a store of value and a hedge against economic turbulence, while equities tend to benefit from U.S. Barrons.com


42 posted on 10/21/2014 4:07:44 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Aquamarine
Warren Buffett just lost one billion on this

Funny how the headlines like to imply that Buffet lost money, but it was his fund's money, and along w/ all the other holdings by yesterday's close the fund actually came out a half $B ahead.  Kind of reminds me of all the "Buffet Bets on Crash" stories we've been getting.

43 posted on 10/21/2014 4:17:13 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Dow futures up 75 this morning


44 posted on 10/21/2014 4:55:12 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: expat_panama
We definitely need to drill for more oil right?


45 posted on 10/21/2014 6:05:20 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Whoa...   This looks like a big time American lifestyle change. 

Hit gas sales too, no wonder gas prices have been flat for a few years now.

46 posted on 10/21/2014 6:54:51 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

A lot of that is the refiners have sold off their retail sales to independents. Our consumption has not fell that drastically.


47 posted on 10/21/2014 7:02:37 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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To: expat_panama
Discuss...


48 posted on 10/21/2014 8:02:53 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Like I said back here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3217123/posts?page=8#8

Knee braces are going to be the hot item.


49 posted on 10/21/2014 8:37:47 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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To: expat_panama

Pretty simple: Whatever the Government CONTROLS, and the SIZE to which it GROWS, is coming out of the TAX PAYER’S pocket.


50 posted on 10/21/2014 9:22:44 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: A Cyrenian; abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; aposiopetic; Aquamarine; ...

Neat!   Yesterday's gap-up moved stocks from correction to uptrend and this morning indexes look future-flat.  Our ever-volatile metals were solid yesterday (gold at a six-week high) tho they're back down today.  Announcements:  MBA Mortgage Index, CPI, Core CPI, Crude Inventories. 

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51 posted on 10/22/2014 4:49:24 AM PDT by expat_panama
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I have some stock in pfizer and Proctor and Gamble and Walmart. What do you think.? If only pfizer could come up with an ebola cure..LOL


52 posted on 10/22/2014 5:29:30 AM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: expat_panama

tracking btt


53 posted on 10/22/2014 5:33:08 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: expat_panama

Obama Tax Hikes Drive Federal Tax Revenue Above $3 Trillion for First Time Ever

“The Treasury Department released this month figures showing that federal tax revenue exceeded $3 trillion in fiscal year 2014—the first time revenue surpassed that mark.

Yet the deficit was still almost $500 billion.

Clearly, the government continues to spend too much. We should tax enough to fund the legitimate functions of government, like national defense, homeland security, public health and others, but no more.”


54 posted on 10/22/2014 6:01:16 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

The focus on the deficit is needed but more important is the debt.

A fall in the deficit results in an increase in the debt. Debt reduction not deficit reduction should be the goal.


55 posted on 10/22/2014 6:03:46 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: expat_panama

One thing for certain .... it seems that for the time being freepers who are sitting on their cash waiting for the dow to drop below 10k before they buy back in are going to have to continue to wait.


56 posted on 10/22/2014 6:09:13 AM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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Its difficult to reduce the debt if you don’t end deficit spending.


57 posted on 10/22/2014 6:13:18 AM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: patriot08

PG, PFE, and WMT all have decent dividends, which are likely safe. I don’t see any of the three going out of business in our lifetime. They know what they’re doing. However, not a lot of growth in PFE and PG over the past ten to fifteen years.

If you’re young, equities are the place to be, as you have a long time horizon in which to invest.

The time to buy is when everyone else is selling, and then hold until everyone else is buying. So said J. Paul Getty.

If you get a buying opportunity in any of those three stocks, take advantage.


58 posted on 10/22/2014 6:19:15 AM PDT by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: kjam22

Well of course but a reduction in the deficit is politically comfort while a continued increase in the debt is not.

Note my use of the term focus


59 posted on 10/22/2014 6:19:58 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Yeah couldn’t have anything to do with GDP increasing... Has to be the tax hikes... SMDH


60 posted on 10/22/2014 7:13:20 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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