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Islamic State fight could breathe new life into the A-10
Stars and Stripes ^ | September 26, 2014 | Jennifer H. Svan

Posted on 10/04/2014 1:48:47 AM PDT by GonzoII

Months after staving off a trip to the boneyard, the embattled A-10 Thunderbolt II is headed to the Middle East where it could be used to fight Islamic militants in Iraq and Syria.

An Indiana Air National Guard unit that flies the Cold War-era gunships, known as Warthogs, is planning to deploy about 300 airmen and an unknown number of its aircraft to the U.S. Central Command region early next month, says a Sept. 17 news release from the unit.

The 122nd Fighter Wing, located at Fort Wayne Air National Guard Base, Ind., has 21 aircraft, though it’s uncertain how many will be deploying, a spokesman said Thursday.

The Air National Guard release doesn’t mention where the group is headed or for what purpose.

The Air Force wants to retire the A-10, an attack aircraft intended for close air support, to pay for its new — and costly — multipurpose F-35 stealth fighters. Retiring the decades-old fleet of about 300 A-10s would potentially save about $4.2 billion over five years, Air Force leaders have said.

But Congress this summer spared the plane from defense cuts. And now some experts say they wouldn’t be surprised to see the almost-mothballed A-10 pulled into the air war in Iraq and Syria, a possibility that could further heat the debate on the plane’s future.

Designed to shoot Soviet tanks rolling across the open fields of Europe, the A-10 has been the primary aircraft for close air support of ground forces since the mid-1970s. Experts say that capability is well-suited to taking out ground targets in Iraq and Syria.

“When you deploy the A-10, they only have one purpose,” said Dakota Wood, the senior research fellow for defense programs at the Heritage Foundation, and that is “to kill things on the ground. If the expectation is to defeat ISIS in Iraq and help the Iraqis push them out or do anything in Syria, especially in the border area between Syria and Iraq, you will need firepower well-suited” to targeting armored vehicles and enemy fighters on the ground.

The A-10 flies “low and slow,” a capability that reduces collateral damage but also makes it more vulnerable to small-arms fire and portable anti-aircraft missiles, experts say.

The threat in Iraq, where Islamic State militants have shoulder-launched, man-portable air defense systems, is manageable, said Gareth Jennings, aviation desk editor for IHS Jane’s Defence Weekly.

Syria could pose more of a challenge for the A-10, Jennings said. It “would not only be going up against ISIS and other military groups, but you do have the Syrian government to contend with.”

The Syrian government, which has more sophisticated air defense systems, has not interfered with early strikes in the country “but there’s no guarantee that will continue,” Jennings said. “ ‘My enemy’s enemy is my friend’ only goes so far.”

Those risks are worth managing, Jennings thinks, because of the distinct psychological advantage the A-10 and its fearsome 30 mm Gatling gun brings to a fight.

“No other aircraft in the world has the reputation of the A-10 in terms of instilling fear into the enemy” he said. “It can stay over a target; it doesn’t come in and drop its bombs and have to leave. It stays over the battlefield, picking off targets at will.”

Wood thinks it is probable the Air National Guard A-10s are deploying “because of basing options.”

To be able to generate more sorties, it’s better to fly from airfields that are closer to the fight, he said.

The A-10 is more adept than other fighters at launching from short, austere airfields, so it could be the aircraft with that versatility gives the U.S. military more options for sortie generation, he said.

“When you look at a map,” he said, the A-10s could possibly deploy “to Iraq, maybe Saudi Arabia, but there’s a strong option for Jordan.”

The aircraft could instead deploy to Afghanistan, if the Pentagon wants to shift types of airpower from Afghanistan to Iraq and replace that with the A-10, Wood said, but “that seems kind of a cumbersome, expensive dance.”

Deployment of the A-10s in Iraq and Syria would certainly extend the debate as to the aircraft’s future, Wood said.

It will “be a win for the A-10 communities and advocates … one more argument in favor of it.”

Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., is among lawmakers who say now is not the time to get rid of the A-10, particularly in light of the current Islamic State threat.

Defeating the Islamic State “will require effective close air support — not just dropping bombs from high altitude on isolated targets — and there is no better [close-air-support] aircraft than the A-10,” Ayotte said in a statement to Stars and Stripes.

But Wood said the argument still comes down to money.

“Even if you said you wanted to keep the A-10, where does the Air Force come up with the money to retain the A-10 and all that comes with it … and still get its full complement of F-35s?”

Though Air Force brass are intent on retiring the plane, “no one is saying because it’s no good,” Jennings said. “They’re saying in this day and age … you can’t afford to have aircraft that are only good at one thing.”

He said this isn’t the first time the A-10 has been on the chopping block only to see a decision reversed in the face of a new conflict.

“What makes it different (now) is the U.S. Air Force doesn’t have the money to support all these different types of aircraft. Unless that changes, I’m afraid the writing is on the wall for the A-10, regardless of how it functions in Iraq, Syria and on.”



TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Indiana; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: a10; a10thunderbolt; airnationalguard; iraq; isis; usairforce; warthog
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To: Flick Lives
If Tom Cruise had joined the Air Force, he would have flown fighters converted to the ground attack role.

If Sgt Alvin York could have joined the modern Air Force, he would have flown A-10s!


21 posted on 10/04/2014 4:32:08 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Mother of Epidemics- "Gang Green and the Government Staff Infection" - G. Morgan, Freedom Foundation)
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To: GonzoII

Boots on the ground that flies.


22 posted on 10/04/2014 4:50:11 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: knarf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Ti7Jrh_JE

Hand of GOD!


23 posted on 10/04/2014 4:53:36 AM PDT by Dusty Road (")
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To: GonzoII

Obama and his Muzzie allies can’t stand the fact that “HOGS” are good at killing MUZZIES!


24 posted on 10/04/2014 5:04:50 AM PDT by WellyP (question!)
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To: WellyP
The A-10 was and still is, a great aircraft and a perfect selection to be used to fight ISIS. The photo above of the destruction (looks like the “Road To Baghdad”) is a perfect example of it's capabilities. IMO, flying low and slow and having heavy belly armor makes it the best tool for the job.
25 posted on 10/04/2014 5:20:50 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: GonzoII

Love the PEACE sign at the end of the cannon barrel(s).

An A-10 from Battle Creek Air National Guard unit had half of its tail shot off but still made it back to base.


26 posted on 10/04/2014 5:21:11 AM PDT by wetgundog (ua)
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To: wetgundog

Two pairs of A-10s from Whiteman AFB fly over the Lake of the Ozarks every week.


27 posted on 10/04/2014 5:31:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

If the Air Force doesn’t want to keep the Warthog because it isn’t sexy, they should turn the over to the Army. It’s a perfect fit alongside the Apache.


28 posted on 10/04/2014 6:09:07 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: BwanaNdege
In a sane world, we would continue the A-10 wing replacement and other upgrade programs and then have the Air Force transfer the planes to the Army sand Marine Corps for close air support.

It makes sense but I have been told that the Air Force has tried to do just this but the Army has refused because they don't want to pay for it out of their budgets because they have their own spending priorities.

And yet we can spend just under a billion to buy a hand full of comparably useless Tucano trainers modified as light attack planes.

29 posted on 10/04/2014 6:10:56 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: BwanaNdege

Warthogs: ugly but well hung


30 posted on 10/04/2014 6:12:18 AM PDT by slapshot
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To: wetgundog

I couldn’t read the text on that sticker, but I know that it said “Peace through superior firepower” :) made me laugh.


31 posted on 10/04/2014 6:22:09 AM PDT by TexasBarak (I aim to misbehave!)
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To: knarf

Puff’s son? As in AC-47?

If so, sorry Charlie.

The A-10’s Statement of work said that the A-10 was envisioned to replace the A-1E “Sandy” in the Combat SAR mission and provide CAS to SOF Forces. From there they went ahead a developed an extremely capable aircraft that didn’t fir the AF’s image of fast, sleek, and flashy aircraft. But OMG, when it comes to CAS particularly in “danger close” situations!

The 2013 attempt to boneyard the A-10 represents the AF’s third attempt to kill the A-10. IMHO all three attempts are based on re-coloring the A-10s funding line to support an advanced fighter that can do very little to support the Grunt in combat.

The first attempt was in the later 1980’s when the AF wanted to shift funding to F-22. One Chief of Staff and DESERT STORM later the A-10’s death post ponded.

About a decade later the AF tried again. September 11, 2001 stopped that.

Now a little over a decade after their second attempt the AF is trying again. Now ISIS/IS, or what every they are calling themselves, seems to provide a third postponement.

This article clearly identified the AF wants to shift A-10 funding to the F-35 program, again.

When it comes to CAS the grunt wants an aircraft that can stay with him and get down into the mud with him. A support pass every 10 - 15 minutes from 15,000 really doesn’t hack the program.


32 posted on 10/04/2014 6:24:55 AM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: CarmichaelPatriot

Good idea. But the USAF would rather destroy it than lose its control over US fixed wing airplanes.


33 posted on 10/04/2014 6:43:43 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: GonzoII
For the first few days of something major, an A-10 would have a tough time, given the systems that potentially would be in place and gunning for the low and relatively slow.

Then again, who wouldn't be having a tough time at that point in the game? Those first days, and all that come after, are what the A-10 was designed for it, with a track record to back it up.

Given that we are using extraordinary machines with extraordinary price tags to shoot extraordinary weapons with extraordinary price tags at relatively low tech, "cheap" targets, that's quite a compliment to the target!

Nice to be made of money or have a printing press for that sort of thing, but I'd like to spend some now to spend less later. You know, "for the children".

Personally, I'd like to see an A-10 makeover and step that bad girl into this century dressed up in all we've learned about modern materials for battlefield survival since the cold war.

Then, you'd have a nice cost effective, down and dirty compliment to the high dollar, fast moving, soft target toys the air force likes so much.

34 posted on 10/04/2014 6:54:53 AM PDT by GBA (But if you're dead now, how can you live when you die?)
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To: Nip
Yeah ... I WAS thinking about the AC 47 ... only in the fact that they both lay down a lot of lead but the A 10 is a point and shoot rather than circling

Appreciate your reply

35 posted on 10/04/2014 6:59:46 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: GBA

Most A-10’s are not headed to the scrap yard. ANG Units across the Nation deploy them.


36 posted on 10/04/2014 7:01:54 AM PDT by DocJhn
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To: DaveA37
The photo above of the destruction

Started by a Marine A-6, became a target, then a place to use unexpended ordnance before RTB.

37 posted on 10/04/2014 8:34:06 AM PDT by xone
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To: GonzoII

Gonz... Perfect sample of the A-10’s firepower. Us air horse “cats” really appreciate such a powerful asset.

Thanks


38 posted on 10/04/2014 12:45:18 PM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 84)
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To: gaijin

Well you beat me but you are correct!


39 posted on 10/05/2014 4:01:23 PM PDT by X-FID
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