Democratic CT State Representative Busted on 19 Charges of Voter Fraud

RedState ^ | Sept. 29, 2014 | Jake (Diary)

[justiceseeker93]

...if [GOP] went after the Donkeys on vote fraud, the Donkey MSM would eat them alive and so they assume their usual neutered position of “hear no evil; speak no evil; see no evil”.

Frankly, you may be wrong about that, as far as the general public reaction to the "Donkey MSM" counterattack might be. First of all, the MSM has lost trust and credibility among the American people as a whole over the years, especially during the Age of Obama. The MSM can only scream "racism" so long before more and more people tune out.

Maybe I'm too sanguine, but I think that most Americans instinctively detest cheating and fraud, especially in elections. After all, "fairness" is still used effectively by the 'Rats themselves as a populist buzzword (but not when dealing with election procedure, of course). And photo voter ID cards, for example, seem to get excellent support in polling data.

If the GOP can make its points simply, and explain how fraud and cheating in elections is does occur and will continue to occur unless the election procedure is better policed, I believe the majority of Americans, including even some 'rats, would be sympathetic to such a view.

[MasterGunner01]

I agree with many of your points. However, the biggest problem we have is to get the gutless, clueless, spineless, feckless GOPee politicians to grow a pair and attack! Instead, they cower like rabbits and go mute, or worse, buy into the Donkey stereotype being hawked by the opposition. If it was possible to clone 434 Ted Cruz’ and replace all the rest of the Congress critters, we'd really get somewhere in this country.

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

“If the GOP can make its points simply, and explain how fraud and cheating in elections is does occur and will continue to occur unless the election procedure is better policed, I believe the majority of Americans, including even some ‘rats, would be sympathetic to such a view.”

With respect, I do not believe the generic American thought process works that way any more. There *is* no aspiration to nor idealization of some pure form of [small R] republicanism. Along with the demonization of America, anything that smells of “truth, justice, and the American way” is a subject of ridicule. You are envisioning sticking a little screwdriver in there and prying stuff apart. I am saying this is a country-wide, culture-wide effort that has been largely successful. There is no abstract appeal or morality or decency....not when the biggest-earning stars we have are rap artists who visit the White House and when Kim Kardashian (and her ass) is (are?) THE TOP EARNING “CEO” in the country. Did you know that?

Rather than making a counterargument, I will just supply the easily-anticipated squawking that would be the MSM reaction to “the Republicans making a [cogent] case that voter fraud exists.

“If there are 10 or 20 or 37 duplicate Democrat votes, that isn’t enough to swing an election...so what?”

“This is just a bunch of tired old white men trying to preserve their privelege”.

“This is just a bunch of tired old white men trying to hurt minorities.”

“The Republicans do this too, look at the 2000 elections that GWBush won, everybody knows that was a stolen election.”

There is no perceived gain to be had exposing whatever fraud(s) you or I or Joe Blow may be able to uncover wrt elections, not anything approaching the enormous gains to be had for those who support the regime and quash negative news. That is the weighing that goes on and will go on when the decision to expose or cover up is made, and I would suggest to you that it goes only one way from here on out.

[justiceseeker93]

How does the polling data showing big majorities in favor of voter photo ID mesh with your ultra-negative take on my ideas? While voter photo ID isn't the entire solution to tamping down on fraud and cheating, at least it offers some protection to the integrity of the election process.

[potlatch]

Liberals deny that voter fraud ever happens and they still fight photo voter ID, saying they suppress voter turnout.

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

I would just ask you, how (in what arena, in what setting) are these ideas weighed, and then based upon whatever weighing you or I might imagine goes on, decided upon?

ARE these ideas weighed? DO THEY GET weighed?

And my take is that ideas are very simply not weighed at all. They are instead welded to sources of polarizing energy to an extent that seriously discourages any sort of thinking. There is nobody out there telling you to “think for yourself”. People either do that, all on their own, having decided they arrive at better or more valid decisions using that kind of methodology...or they don’t. For every person who believes that “thinking for themselves” produces a better outcome, even if their conclusion produces some degree of pain or unpleasantness, there are probably three people who are so freaking concerned about what other people think of them that they only wish to think and feel and believe exactly how that mass of opinion dictates. They think they are out of it if they think Kim Kardashian is a fat-assed zero. They think they are out of it if they think Joe Biden says stupid things. They think they are racist if they don’t like something that 0bama comes out with *and they will work on their own attitude* and hammer it into shape until they can come up with some means of agreeing with what 0bama does because being a racist is the worst thing imaginable and anyone who does not like 0bama is automatically a racist.

This is the sheer genius and the present-day fruition of Alinsky and his ideas.

You and I think about “voter ID” and can’t even imagine how anyone could object to it. Never mind what we, you and I as individuals, might have running around in our individual heads in terms of history and how this race went and that race went. What is the big smelly deal about showing ID? I have to do it when buying a beer or cashing a check or buying an airline ticket or any one of a dozen other things. But the other side has taken this proposition of “voter ID” and SUCCESSFULLY invoked SLAVERY! and POLL TAX! and JIM CROW! and BURNING CROSSES! and FIREHOSES BLASTING BLACK FOLKS OFF THE SIDEWALK! And these images have been purposefully and diabolically invoked, over and over and over and what is the result? There isn’t any thinking going on, the welds have been made.

[justiceseeker93]

There *is* no aspiration to nor idealization of some pure form of [small R] republicanism. Along with the demonization of America, anything that smells of “truth, justice, and the American way” is a subject of ridicule.

Well, yes, that's the left's way of thinking in general. But if you listen to talk radio, you wouldn't think your assessment of American society is accurate.

BTW, did you know that when asked what their political philosophy generally is in polls, about twice the percentage of Americans identify as "conservative" as opposed to "liberal" (roughly 40% "conservative" vs. 20% "liberal"). It's just that the left makes the much louder noise and seems to be much better organized, which is why they predominate in government, media, academia, and pop culture.

[justiceseeker93]

Liberals deny that voter fraud ever happens and they still fight photo voter ID, saying they suppress voter turnout.

Denying that voter fraud ever happens is like denying that 1 + 1 =2 or denying that the Earth is (approximately) a sphere. There should be as much value placed on their denials as on the theories of the Flat Earth Society.

I'm glad that they come up with that old bromide "suppress voter turnout" ad nauseum. Nothing wrong with suppression of voter turnout, when the "suppression" is that of suppressing aliens, voters who have already voted, plus those who attempt to vote but who have failed to register, those attempting to vote who don't live in the precinct, those who attempt to vote using fictitious names or names of the deceased, etc., etc., etc.

Back in the 1960s, the liberals' chant was "one man, one vote!" Now the mantra is "the more times you can vote, the better," even if you're legally ineligible to vote entirely.

[justiceseeker93]

...the biggest problem we have is to get the gutless, clueless, spineless, feckless GOPee politicians to grow a pair and attack!

Amen to that. But it's not all Republicans who are in that category, even not all Washington Republicans. It's the current GOP Congressional leadership which suppresses the proposals of members more in tune with the grassroots.

[justiceseeker93]

There is nobody out there telling you to “think for yourself”. People either do that, all on their own, having decided they arrive at better or more valid decisions using that kind of methodology...or they don’t. For every person who believes that “thinking for themselves” produces a better outcome, even if their conclusion produces some degree of pain or unpleasantness, there are probably three people who are so freaking concerned about what other people think of them that they only wish to think and feel and believe exactly how that mass of opinion dictates. They think they are out of it if they think Kim Kardashian is a fat-assed zero. They think they are out of it if they think Joe Biden says stupid things. They think they are racist if they don’t like something that 0bama comes out with *and they will work on their own attitude* and hammer it into shape until they can come up with some means of agreeing with what 0bama does because being a racist is the worst thing imaginable and anyone who does not like 0bama is automatically a racist.

I think you're on to something there, about the decreasing percentages of Americans capable of thinking for themselves. (FR defies this trend.)

There are a few major reasons for this lack of capacity to think for oneself among the American population and the increasing decadence of the society and the body politic.

As kind of foreseen by Murray and Herrnstein in The Bell Curve, the population's average IQ is on a downtrend, because the dumber parents are having the most children (statistically) and because the newer immigrants as whole are statistically not as intelligent as the more established Americans. Then you have the decadence of education, especially in public schools, which is not as aimed at developing thinking processes as it once was. Add that to influences from the media and pop culture and you reap a witch's brew, generations each less equipped to think (with exceptions, of course) than the preceding one.

But it's largely about how youngsters are raised growing up. If they are exposed to good parenting and beneficent influences, rather that leftist propaganda, chances are they will not become mind-numbed leftist robots, and the more that happens, the better off the society will be.

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

It’s all simple conditioning, as I see it.

If people were being conditioned to think for themselves, to act independently, to take responsibility for their decisions, to consult with their “elders” or to otherwise seek mentorship...they would grow independent and imperfectly, acquire wisdom.

But this is not so. What is so is the encouragement of banal conformity and groupthink. How much more valuable they are to a ruling elite as easily cowed consumers who can be herded into groups, and who can be induced to reject groups the elite wishes them to shun. They can be induced to chant memes and to chant bumper sticker slogans. More importantly, they can be herded into voting blocks with simple sloganeering.

Like almost all human behavior, it’s just conditioning.

[MarkL]

I’d really like to know-—what is the fundamental difference between voter fraud and counterfeiting currency?

I believe that voter fraud is far more serious than counterfeiting currency. It's a fundamental attack on the country and purposely disenfranchises citizens (not like the non-nonsensical arguments against voter ID laws), stealing their voice in the government. It's an attack on the government of the US.

I've long said that voter fraud SHOULD be a capital crime, on par with treason.

Mark