Posted on 09/29/2014 7:48:33 AM PDT by Biggirl
Let’s just go back to the beginning of the nineteenth century and follow Jeffersons lead.
Myles Standish was not beheaded. He died of natural causes at his home in1656.
Maybe this highly educated professor was referring to Sir Walter Raleigh, who had no relation to Standish with the exception of living in roughly the same era.
From another FR thread: Why They Behead Us: — “Instilling fear is one. But ‘War Trophies’ is the other. Displaying body parts of the enemy publicly is a very old practice. Visually & symbollically, the head of a dead enemy sends a particularly powerful message. War trophies are actually banned by (western) military law.” — http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3204175/posts?page=50#50
Perfect example of how leftists think.
No one alive today did the beheading. In the leftist mind, a “White” did it, so all today’s Whites are guilty.
That’s why leftists need to be put in a padded cell where they can’t hurt anybody.
Is there anything nearly as ignorant as an NYU 'Professor'?
The crusades were a result of muslims then using the same uncivilized acts to “convert” the world as they are using today.
Worthless sons of pig f’n dogs then, worthless sons of pig f’n dogs now.
How refreshing, another college professor with a moral equivalency view of things - so novel, yes? Well, let us not forget dear professor that Robespierre also sanctioned beheadings. And we all know how lefty’s love revolutionaries. One can all only hope that all leftist professors as well as all Islamic jihadists will meet the same fate as the self confident Robespierre.
One begins to feel, at this thread, the whiff of the 1930s. . .[snip]
...In all of this, the Nazis and the Communists, the street violence, and the agitation, the Brownshirts of Roehm, the Balilla of Mussolini, the agitated and crazed atmosphere, from the kidnapping of General Miller by the Reds, to Willi Munzenberg and the Comintern, to Ernst Roehm, and the Night of the Long Knives, and all the propaganda put out by Goebbels, including the Prussian Junkers sent abroad to allay any fears of their fellow classmates in pre-war Oxford or Harvard — all of this is somehow summoned up. But there are major differences. First, this time the carriers of the crazed belief-system, can hide behind its shapeshifting qualty — and call it merely a “religion” and pretend that it is only a “handful of extremists” who are the problem. And second, and still more unfortunate, is the failure to maintain standards in the teaching of history and literature in the Western world, which in turn means that few young people possess the knowledge, or have had training in the use of words, or in the exercise of their imagination, that close study of literary texts can sometimes provide, and that would do much to help in the right formulation of policy. Third, and most worrisome, is that many Believers in this hostile belief-system have alreeady been admitted, to live, deep behind our own, our Infidel lines — and we, the Infidels, and those whose duty it is to instruct us, mostly refuse to see things as they are and to grasp at straws, and substitute wishes for reality. It is not the likes of Gilles Kepel who can help us, but Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Bat Ye’or, and some of those right here at Jihadwatch.
I'm saying exactly the opposite. I'm saying that what happened during the crusades does not mean that Isalimc terrorism being carried out today is somehow justified. Those defending radical Islam are the ones making the argument that it's justified, saying that those of us living in the present day have no right to criticize their actions because of what happened hundreds of years ago. It would be like saying that you have no right to press charges against someone who has commited a crime against you, because your great-great-great-great grandafther once commited a similar crime.
The big difference between Islamists and Christian Infidels, is Infidels are not told in the New Testament to kill people who dont' believe in Jesus as a God.
In the Koran and Hadiths, Muslims are instructed by Allah to kill for the sake of the religion, those who don't believe there is only one God (Allah) and Muhammed is his messenger.
What better reason could true believers have for doing something, than their God wants them to do it. -Tom
Fuzzy headline. Standish did the beheading.
Ah yes, the old “Something someone did 400 years ago still defines our modern society” argument
Okay - wasn’t sure. Thanks for the clarification. R/Janey
That's precisely the point, I think. What someone, anyone, is or can be capable of even today, and what is acceptable or not in a 'modern' society.
Today, in our modern society, we kill and can do on massive scale, mostly from afar, often don't think about it twice, and justify it (perhaps rightly) as killing "the enemy".
No, I don't think he knows what he is saying. He is just another West hater like Ward Churchill, chickens coming home to roost and all that crap.
The Crusades were a defensive action against invading moslim savages. At the time, the middle east was largely Christian. Lacking firearms, both sides were busy hacking each other.
Remember the massacre of Christians by Muslim in Otranto in the 5th century and Famagosta in the 6th century.
THE CHRISTIAN MARTYRS OF OTRANTO (1480) AND FAMAGOSTA (1570)
History repeats itself…
On May 12, 2013, Pope Francis Set to Canonize 800 Christians Slaughtered By Muslims in Otranto
Those who depict Islam as a “religion of peace” are ignoring History, and as Spanish philosopher, George Santayana said: “Those who do not learn from history are damned to repeat it.”
OBAMA: ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE
THE REAL FACE OF ISLAM
OTRANTO - MASSACRE OF CHRISTIANS BY MUSLIMS (1480)
THE SIEGE OF FAMAGOSTA (1570)
800 Italians Men Beheaded in Otranto in 1480 for Refusing Islam, by the Turks, with the Approval of Sultan Mehmet II
On August 14, 1480, a massacre happened on a hill outside the city of Otranto, in southern Italy, here 800 of the town’s men were taken to a place called the Hill of the Minerva, and, one by one, beheaded in full view of their fellow prisoners. It became known as the Hill of the Martyrs.
They died because they refused to convert to Islam. The 800 men of Otranto were martyrs. But due to their sacrifice, however, the Ottoman invasion was slowed and Rome was spared the same fate that had befallen Constantinople only 27 years before.
The people of Otranto knew of the siege of Constantinople and that when that city fell the Muslims pillaged the city, but the key moment came when they reached Hagia Sophia.
In Constantinople,after breaking down the church’s bronze gates, they found inside a huge throng of Byzantines who had taken refuge and who were praying that the city might be delivered by some miracle. The Christians were seized and separated according to age and gender. The infants and elderly were brutally murdered; the men, including some of the city’s most prominent senators, were carted off to the slave markets; and the women and girls were taken by soldiers to be raped or sent into a life of slavery.
At Otranto, the terms of the Muslims were ostensibly generous. If the town surrendered, the defenders would be permitted to live. They said no, it was repeated and again it was no. It was the city against 18,000 Muslims and it lasted 2 weeks.
Slaughter, Sacrilege, and Slavery
Turkish troops entered and killed anyone in their path. They made their way to the cathedral. As in the Hagia Sophia, the invaders found the church filled with people praying with Archbishop Stefano Agricoli, Bishop Stephen Pendinelli, and Count Largo, the commander of the soldiers. The Ottomans commanded:
1.The archbishop to throw away his crucifix, abjure the Christian faith, and embrace Islam. When he refused, his head was cut off before the weeping congregation.
2.Bishop Pendinelli and Count Largo likewise would not convert and were also put to death, reportedly by being slowly sawed in half.
3.As was the custom, the priests were murdered and the cathedral was stripped of all Christian symbols and turned into a stable for the horses. The Ottomans then gathered up the surviving people of Otranto and took them as captives.
The people of Otranto faced the same end as the Christians of Constantinople. All of the men over the age of 50 were slaughtered; the women and children under the age of 15 were either slain or sent away to Albania to be slaves.
According to some contemporary sources, the total number of dead was as high as 12,000, with another 5,000 pressed into slavery.
800 Men who survived told to Convert to Islam or Die
The Muslim commander ordered the men of Otranto, 800 survivors of the battle, those who were not over 50 and had not been already killed in battle or later, or were not children and had not be killed or enslaved, to be brought before him.
He gave them one chance to convert to Islam or die. To convince them, he instructed an Italian apostate priest named Giovanni to preach. The former priest called on the men of Otranto to abandon the Christian faith, and they would get many benefits.
One of the men of Otranto, a tailor named Antonio Primaldi (he is also named Antonio Pezzulla in some sources), came forward to speak to the survivors. He called out that he was ready to die for Christ a thousand times. He then added, according to the chronicler Giovanni Laggetto in the Historia della guerra di Otranto del 1480:
“My brothers, till today we have fought in defense of our country, to save our lives, and for our lords; now it is time that we fight to save our souls for our Lord, so that having died on the cross for us, it is good that we should die for him, standing firm and constant in the faith, and with this earthly death we will win eternal life and the glory of martyrs.”
At this, the men of Otranto cried out with one voice that they too were willing to die a thousand times for Christ.
The Execution
The next morning, August 14, the 800 prisoners were bound together with ropes. The victims repeated their pledge to be faithful to Christ, and the Ottomans chose the courageous Antonio Primaldi as the first to be executed.
The old tailor gave one final exhortation to his fellow prisoners and knelt before the executioner. The blade fell and decapitated him, but then, as the chronicler Saverio de Marco claimed in the Compendiosa istoria degli ottocento martiri otrantini (“The Brief History of the 800 Martyrs of Otranto”), the headless corpse stood back upright. The body supposedly proved unmovable, so it remained standing for the entire duration of the gruesome executions.
Stunned by this apparent miracle, one of the executioners converted on the spot and was immediately killed. The executioners then returned to their horrendous business.
The bodies were placed into a mass grave, and the Turks prepared to begin their march to Rome.
No problem! We're on the same side here!
Exactly - but some liberal twit was using that as an excuse for mussies to hack and behead today.
Yeppers :)
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