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Doubts cast on witness's account of black man killed by police in Walmart
UK Guardian ^ | Sept 7 2014 | Jon Swaine

Posted on 09/25/2014 1:06:11 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy

When Ronald Ritchie called 911 from the aisles of a Walmart in western Ohio last month to report that a black man was “walking around with a gun in the store”, he said that shoppers were coming under direct threat.

“He’s, like, pointing it at people,” Ritchie told the dispatcher. Later that evening, after John Crawford III had been shot dead by one of the police officers who hurried to the scene in Beavercreek, Ritchie repeated to reporters: “He was pointing at people. Children walking by.”

One month later, Ritchie puts it differently. “At no point did he shoulder the rifle and point it at somebody,” the 24-year-old said, in an interview with the Guardian. He maintained that Crawford was “waving it around”, which attorneys for Crawford’s family deny.

Ritchie told several reporters after the 5 August shooting that he was an “ex-marine”. When confronted with his seven-week service record, however, he confirmed that he had been quickly thrown out of the US marine corps in 2008 after being declared a “fraudulent enlistment”, over what he maintains was simply a mixup over his paperwork.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: 911; badcopnodonut; donutwatch; leo; liar
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This guy lied about what he was witnessing, and the surveillance video proves it. Beavercreek Walmart surveillance tape shows shooting, 9-1-1 call (video)

He lied about being a Marine, too. He's a Marine like Hillary! and Dan Rather.

1 posted on 09/25/2014 1:06:11 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
Anybody who thinks this is a black vs white issue needs to study up on Erik Scott.

Gunned Down in Vegas: What Really Happened to Erik Scott?

This is a government vs citizens issue. The cops ARE the government.

2 posted on 09/25/2014 1:11:48 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Settled science.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Ritchie SWATed this guy to death. In my book, this was premeditated murder using the police as the murder weapon.


3 posted on 09/25/2014 1:17:10 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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It looks like the kid was waiting for someone to shoot him.

At the last minute he drops the gun and tries to crawl away.

I'll go watch it again, but it looks like he decided against WHATEVER was in his mind and tried to get away.

An idle kid with a long gun in a store at 8 in the morning is just asking for (at least) serious psychiatric help

4 posted on 09/25/2014 1:23:23 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Paine in the Neck
The video
5 posted on 09/25/2014 1:26:56 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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An idle kid with a long gun in a store at 8 in the morning is just asking for (at least) serious psychiatric help

Would you say that these guys are just asking for (at least) serious psychiatric help?

6 posted on 09/25/2014 1:32:03 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Anybody who thinks this is a black vs white issue needs to study up on Erik Scott.


Ah, the ol’ Erik “all the cameras at Costco were down” Scott story.

It stinks to high heaven on so many levels.


7 posted on 09/25/2014 1:32:30 PM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: null and void

Ping


8 posted on 09/25/2014 1:32:32 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Settled science.)
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It was eight in the evening, not morning. Nevertheless, Crawford was behaving strangely. There are other witnesses who have said he was waving the rifle around and these people couldn’t tell it was an air rifle and not the real thing.
What has really been hushed up is what he was doing in Beavercreek’s Walmart when he lived 40 miles away in Hamilton. There is also a discrepancy in the story about just who he was talking to on the phone. The family says it was his Dad, a woman claims she was on the phone with him and is his girlfriend, and a second woman also claims to be his girlfriend and is the person who drove him to the Beavercreek Walmart. Much of the information available in the hours after the shooting has been set aside in favor of his family’s wrongful death narrative. Our local paper is no help, since it charges for what it calls ‘premium content”.


9 posted on 09/25/2014 1:36:37 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

It looks to me like his description is more accurate than the family’s. The family claims he wasn’t swinging it around, and it was pointing down the whole time, except once when he shoulders it for a second then points it back down again. Look at the video below and he clearly was holding it by the grip and swinging it around, using the barrel to push stuff around on the shelf etc. He does it pretty much he whole time. I don’t see anywhere where Richie lied about what the guy was doing. When Richie says it looks like he was loading it, you don’t know what Richie’s point of view was. The operator is asking what he’s doing and it may have looked like that’s what he was doing from his viewpoint. Anyway, the family is clearly lying when they say he never waived it around.


10 posted on 09/25/2014 1:45:56 PM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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“At the last minute he drops the gun and tries to crawl away.”

That jump he took is when he was first shot, you can hear people yelling OMG! OMG! You can’t hear the shot. He was shot and that made him jump.


11 posted on 09/25/2014 1:59:57 PM PDT by DBrow
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How about when Richie says that he is pointing it at the kids?


12 posted on 09/25/2014 2:07:59 PM PDT by ansel12
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How about when Richie says that he is pointing it at the kids?

The video starts at the pet isle, which the article says is 60 yards from where he picked up the airgun. Based on how he is swinging it around on the rest of the video he could certainly have pointed it at some kids before the video starts. We don't know what happened before the video, but from what we do know, the family is lying, not Richie.

13 posted on 09/25/2014 2:24:15 PM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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LOL, so he never pointed it at kids or anyone.

You were wrong about the caller being accurate, as we watch the video your caller describes that he is pointing it at the kids, he lied.

Richie has also recanted and said that the gun was never pointed at anyone. If you notice, the guy went to what was a quiet corner of the store and stood in one spot as he played with the $49.00 BB gun.


14 posted on 09/25/2014 2:30:56 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Hugin

The 911 caller lied. Period.


15 posted on 09/25/2014 2:32:55 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Settled science.)
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To: Hugin

Video from the start...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XYNOTUWfHE


16 posted on 09/25/2014 2:48:37 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Settled science.)
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Nope, normal open carry of long guns


17 posted on 09/25/2014 3:26:24 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: DBrow

I watched it without sound so I didn’t connect any verbal to the video.


18 posted on 09/25/2014 3:28:23 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Anybody who thinks this is a black vs white issue needs to study up on Erik Scott.

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Erik Scott was out of his mind on prescription drugs that his girlfriend was helping him obtain illegally. She was also the one who dragged him out in public that day carrying a weapon while under the influence. She also disappeared when it came time for the coroner’s inquest. And the lawsuits of Erik Scott’s family never went anywhere.


19 posted on 09/25/2014 3:32:32 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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This guy lied about what he was witnessing, and the surveillance video proves it.

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People should watch the video and decide for themselves. Was he being malicious or doing the best he could under the circumstances? He wasn’t watching the videotape. He was keeping an eye on Crawford, while warning shoppers away from the area, and trying to keep from being seen.


20 posted on 09/25/2014 3:36:46 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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