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To: NormsRevenge
Apple's systems as a whole are so closed that it's nearly impossible to remediate botched installs. On Linux at least I can hit ctrl-alt-F1 to get into a text shell.

To my knowledge (apart from the bash terminal that you can get to once you're already logged in), Apple has not had a text "shell" since the days of the Apple ][, the last time the company had anything "open". They chose the "closed" route, and the onus therefore lies entirely on them to fix the problems their user base is too non-technical to tackle.

32 posted on 09/24/2014 1:16:12 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom
To my knowledge (apart from the bash terminal that you can get to once you're already logged in), Apple has not had a text "shell" since the days of the Apple ][, the last time the company had anything "open". They chose the "closed" route, and the onus therefore lies entirely on them to fix the problems their user base is too non-technical to tackle.

You are wrong. Apple OSX is trademarked UNIX. CLICK on the Go Menu/Utilities/Terminal and you have the full power of UNIX at your command. Easier, . . Click on the magnifying glass icon in the upper right, type T and Return. . . You are in terminal.

And, of course, being UNIX, Lexinom, you do have to be logged in, otherwise you cannot do anything. iOS is a subset of UNIX and has the same protection built in.

In case you're unaware, the Mac is the computer of choice of most aerospace engineers and computer engineers.

Curiosity Mars Rover Command Team chose Apple Macs


And they were running Apple OSX


The "War Room, "Curiosity's Entry, Descent and Landing (EDL) and staff. On the night of Aug. 5, 2012 PDT (early morning Aug. 6 EDT), 34 engineers gathered in this room at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., to support the landing. Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech

How about computer programers? Hackers, or programers, for example. At the 2011 TechCrunch conference in Hells Kitchen in New York, 500 "hackers," some of the top computer programers in the US, converged to compete in creating new software in a competition.


"For those keeping track, my colleague, TechCrunch engineer Rob Saurini, said that, of the hackers he observed with his keen hacker sight, about 90 percent were using Macs."

Why? Because Macs can run every operating system that counts, OSX, UNIX, every version of Windows. . . and every type of software.

So much for your "non-technical" user-base slur. Rocket Scientists, computer engineers, and programers choose Macs, Lexinom.

94 posted on 09/25/2014 9:20:58 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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