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How The West Created ISIS … with a little help from our friends.
MINTPRESS NEWS ^ | 9/13/2014 | Nafeez Ahmed

Posted on 09/17/2014 10:53:07 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen

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To: Pelham

Pelham, first, it does include a link to that same report, in the paragraph just to the left of the JSOC insignia pic.

Second, just because I post an article it does not mean that I am giving any sort of approval of the author.

This guy happens to be a classic new world order propagandist.

He wrote, for example, “A USER’S GUIDE TO THE CRISIS OF CIVILIZATION And How to Save It”, published in 2010 by PlutoPress.

The piece is at the link in the article just two paragraphs below the other link; the link is at the words...

(excerpt) “US Special Operations”.
(link) http://themester.indiana.edu/themester2011/events/ahmed.pdf

That “civilization” piece, if you peruse it, is garden-variety new world order globalist hogwash, all about how there are all these calamities facing the world and everyone needs to follow the instructions of the elites to survive the coming problems. It says so much in the title.

This is why I started this thread with...

“New world order providing the interested observer with some bits of information about their current middle east operations. “

I’m simply posting this article so people can take the assertions it makes, like US special forces being there, what they are doing, and assertions like who is funding the operations, and then go and for themselves a) see if they can find other reporting or evidence which corroborates the asssertions and b) see if they can digest and analyze everything for themselves. I may make my own assertions along with posting links, etc., but my assertions are still that, just assertions. Ultimately everyone has to interpret evidence for themselves. It’s when we have already reached conclusions based on no evidence other than whatever social “echo chambers” we identify with that we can easily be misled. MANY liberals who are anti-war are today in this category to an astonishing degree, as they are so vehemently anti-war, yet their darling candidate has been President for going on six years - but his administration has increased US war and espionage activity to a spectacular degree.

American sheeple on both the left and the right are under the spell of supreme illusions put on by an elite that then uses them to step by step make their own lives miserable. It figuratively beats the American people over the head with their own government.


41 posted on 09/18/2014 1:57:15 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: samtheman
Your choice of wording — “expansionist Israel”

I did not say those words, the article did.

Those are two words out of the entire article.

I just posted a good bashing of the author of this article, which I would recommend for your reading.

When a FReeper posts an article it does not necessarily mean they support the article 100%. Sometimes articles are posted to put "bad news" in front of us so we are aware of it.

It will help if you focus on the article instead of me.

If you want to pick apart the article and debate it of course that's what we do here.

I will agree with you on the point of Israel not being an expansionist nation. I'm not against any country, if you look at my current posting patterns, I'm anti-globalism/new world order.

Most people who immediately dismiss everything you say after you say "new world order" have not done any serious research on the topic, so it's difficult to convince them of anything because they are missing literally centuries of background information. So I mostly just put what some may feel is disturbing reporting, or various facts and statistics some may feel uncomfortable with, since they upset their current worldview that new world order is a "myth". I personally find a lot of news "disturbing"; I continue to try to find facts and then piece together what is actually going on.

Many people take the facts they can "resolve" and they then start reading about them to understand more. There are a number of FReepers who have pieced some "ugly" pieces of the new world order puzzle together and now post some very interesting threads regularly.
42 posted on 09/18/2014 2:15:08 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Eleutheria5

It’s the white people!


43 posted on 09/18/2014 2:29:39 AM PDT by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: Pelham

FYI, The Hoover Institution is a premier new world order institution.

One very notable “rabble rousing academic” of the Hoover Institution was Dr. Antony Sutton; I would suggest a video, “the best enemies money can buy”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVWXmZB1wc


44 posted on 09/18/2014 2:32:01 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: marron; PieterCasparzen

Mostly my thinking too. This policy/strategy has been ongoing for over 3 decades. More actively in the last 2 decades & regardless of specific US administration. The islamization of that region continues, that’s their plan & ultimate goal. And that islamization is primarily sunni state driven. Those non-islamic entities driving and/or facilitating it, i presume, think they can live with it, and they think so should the rest of us.


45 posted on 09/18/2014 2:40:54 AM PDT by odds
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To: Pelham

Also, regarding Nafeez Ahmed, the author, he perfectly fits the mold of new world order propaganda when they seek to publish small amounts of true facts.

NWO publishes small bits of true facts that incriminate themselves in a very specific manner.

First, they make sure that most of the news media and educational community never speaks of any facts that offer evidence that the general public would be angry about, for example, American-based companies trading with or financing our enemies. “Mainstream” media leadership makes sure that such stories are well buried, while 99% of their story content is aimed at pushing new world order’s desired storylines.

Also, they never have the “whole picture” put out in one document or article, since that would allow the reader/listener to see the complete set of damning evidence. For example, they’ll have drug lords in the news, and bank/money laundering in the news, but they’ll never report all the links in one story. One has to read at least several different stories, and have enough business, etc., knowledge or sophistication to be able to understand how the facts of the stories paint a disturbing picture.

The other key tactic is whenever these pieces of truth that could be damaging if analyzed alongside the other relavent truths are published - the author purposely includes other claims and assertions that set him up to be labled as a quack.

The “revealer’s” goals are to a) have himself considered a quack and b) reveal a few pieces of truth about new world order operations.

So new world order will have dozens of these quacks out there, all publishing some of what new world order is doing, mixed in with nonsensical or obviously false material.

This then leads most people to believe that the individual TRUE facts that were disclosed are ALSO FALSE. The reader is drawn to “throw the baby out with the bathwater”.

If we bear in mind that all the TRUE facts (published by different people who all appear to be quacks) need to be analyzed TOGETHER in order to understand the conspiratorial activity, we see that the groundwork has been laid for perpetuating the illusion that new world order is a false theory.

What happens is any time anyone mentions ANY of the true facts, the listener will instantly recall the “quack” association - and they will view whatever total explanatory picture is presented as being false, without even bothering to analyze all the facts. For example, any time most people hear the phrase “Federal Reserve”, it brings to mind a view that new world order is a false “quackery” conspiracy theory, because every new world order description invariably includes the Federal Reserve (but they’ll also include preposterous claims about aliens, or anti-Semitic comments, etc.).

It’s like an immunization shot being given to the public, where they are “immunized” mentally against being able to take any facts about new world order seriously.

If anyone actually writes or speaks enough truth to actually have new world order worried, and they really don’t have any control of that person, the next step is to brand the person as an anti-Semite. It’s the classic new world order fallback when they have nothing else. Of course, the American leadership is the Rockefeller interests, and the JDR family is nominally Christian (JDR Sr was a Baptist), so if one is anti-new world order, that does not imply that one is necessarily an anti-Semite. New world order is, in fact, a “religion” unto itself, with its leadership seeing themselves essentially as the “gods” of the world, that is, having the power and the right to take life at their pleasure, and to generally rule over everyone else.


46 posted on 09/18/2014 3:16:14 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

bfl


47 posted on 09/18/2014 3:21:44 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: PieterCasparzen

What’s so difficult about that - and I think it’s the result of deliberate disinformation campaigns by the regime if not others - is that we have very little way to verify which reported “facts” are true. Technology allows so much to be fabricated and we also know that both the leftist and “conservative” media doesn’t report what it doesn’t want us to know. So the people who do report those things are viewed as “nuts” while there’s often very little that can be done to prove the evidence they cite.

The end result is agnosticism. We can’t know anything because we can’t believe anybody. That’s the purpose for the disinformation.

I believe that extends to sites that pretend to be satire sites but don’t label themselves as such. There’s one that’s been linked to here at FR several times - always making claims that “conservatives” might want to be true. And because it poses as a genuine news site and the “satire” is so badly-done that you can’t tell it’s satire, people don’t know it’s satire. I have no idea if this is the deliberate intention of the site or if the writers there are just so stupid that they don’t know how to write decent satire, but the end effect is that no matter what report you look at you have to ask if it’s somebody lying under the guise of “satire”.

It’s like every day is April Fool’s Day, and you have to wonder if any report is either disinformation or an attempt to trick you, with somebody laughing and saying “April Fools!” if you believe anything.

All this, together with the post-modernism of the day, makes it very hard for a normal person (one who doesn’t spend their whole life researching and analyzing these things - which makes them seem like “sheeple”) to be anything but agnostic. We can’t know anything. And with no clear trumpet sound nobody will go to battle. That’s the whole point of the disinformation campaigns. Anonymous posting makes it very difficult to know who is a minister of disinformation.


48 posted on 09/18/2014 4:31:07 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: PieterCasparzen

My mistake thinking you wrote the article. Sorry about that.

I still stand by what I said about “throw away lines”.

Coherent articles can’t contain little bits of extreme propagandist distortion and remain coherent.


49 posted on 09/18/2014 4:48:03 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: PieterCasparzen
>"American sheeple on both the left and the right are under the spell of supreme illusions put on by an elite that then uses them to step by step make their own lives miserable."

Hegelian Dilectic

Blind Bush Bots Beware, your boy is just as broken as the "new" one. It really IS Bush's Fault! He had the Time and Resources to expose the Indonesian BEFORE he ceded the office to him! -------- Protect? Uphold? Defend? FAIL! He willingly and knowingly turned over the office to a known foreign mooselime mole!

50 posted on 09/18/2014 6:07:12 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: rawcatslyentist

The “Young Hegelians” were very much new world order.

They actually conveniently dropped the references professor Hegel made to Christianity.

Based on my limited research on those folks, including the professor and the Young and Old groups, I tend to think at this point that the Young Hegelians were the primary nwo minions.

Limited research however.

It’s really fascinating to see the linkages between students of the “old days” and older elites that they were related to, or were financing their educations, etc. As I recall, some students appear to be just oddballs not directly related to nwo, others are scions of banking families or proteges.

One long-term agenda for nwo in the 1700’s was to wrest control of higher education from Christianity; nwo financed and built its own universities to that end.


51 posted on 09/18/2014 9:19:33 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen; All

Thanks for the ping/posts. Interesting thread.


52 posted on 09/26/2014 2:03:45 PM PDT by PGalt
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