Posted on 09/15/2014 6:25:09 AM PDT by safetysign
“Shocking Video!!!” This week the news and sports media, on behalf of those who need help with two plus two, revealed there are two kinds of domestic violence: The not-too-bad, the kind described only in words and a cost-you-only-two-games video of a woman being dragged from an elevator, and … The shocking, throw-the-bum-out kind, as seen in this week’s inside-the-elevator, what-happened-in-Atlantic City-didn’t-quite-stay-there Ray Rice video. Some of us, however, know better than to be shocked by common sense. After all, how else did the soon-to-be Mrs. Rice, as seen months ago in the first surveillance video, become unconscious, left for Mr. Rice to drag her from the elevator, if she hadn’t been cold-cocked — admittedly — by the other person in the elevator?
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“Flame away...”
I take it your wife left you?
The level of violence is not what determines the difference between murder and self-defense.
Women have ruined more men than wars and pestilence. I’m sorry. I forgot who said it. ;-)
Only the stupid women end up in prison.
She knawed her arm off in the middle of the night and haven’t seen her since...
The following is a point of view that I heard from a female friend.
“Why is NOW commenting on this? They should be commending Ray Rice for treating her as an equal! Hasn’t their message been, over the past 40 years, that not only are women equal to men, they are better then them. Hasn’t the message been that women don’t need men, that they need them like a fish needs a bicycle? That women can do ANYTHING not only as well as a man but better in most cases? Why do these women need protection or chivalry? In fact doesn’t NOW actually believe that chivalry is outdated and patriarchal?” She also asked another question. “ Where was NOW 15 years ago when one of their own, BJ Clinton was accused of raping a woman. When he took advantage of a young intern in the white house? Where was NOW when liberals were demonizing Sarah Palin and Condi Rice? Nowhere to be found! They are hypocrites of the highest order and have zero credibility!”
Now, I agree with her. I am not advocating hitting a woman, I never have or will. But I tell ya, she made some valid points as far as the current culture is concerned. There is also a sub-culture that would have looked down on Ray Rice for allowing his woman to turn him into her “bitch”. Not saying I agree, but we know its true.
If these guys break the law they should go through the criminal justice system like anyone else. If their character is such that a team doesn’t want to hire them then so be it, and if a team wants to take a chance so be it.. It shouldn’t be up to a few empty suits in the “Almighty NFL” league office. The empty suits have made a mockery with allowing the officials to ruin games with their outrageous penalties. Fans are interested in watching great players play football. If ESPN thinks they need a thug like Ray Lewis, to make money, so be it, folks can tune him out if they choose.
Not a popular pov in our society, but it is at least logical.
The notion appears to be that a female should be allowed to slap, punch and kick a man with no thought given to how much she might hurt him, but he is supposed to simply stand there and take it, or at most grapple her so she can’t hurt either of them.
Nobody makes any such claim that a large man must take such abuse without hitting back from a male, no matter how great the disparity in age or size.
Personally, I prefer and try to live by the old and outmoded idea that a man should be a gentleman, and a gentleman never, ever strikes a lady.
OTOH, my Dad taught me that a female who strikes another person without sufficient cause is no lady.
The disparity I find most striking is that between, “Men and women should be treated absolutely equally in all respects.” and “Men should never, ever strike a woman, even when she starts the fight.”
The two POVs are simply not logically consistent.
Pro Football is a degenerate game played by ex, current and future prison inmates. I'm supposed to care?
A woman will put up with a lot for that kind of income and security. She got over it and I think you should as well. It’s none of our business unless you think muscle bound goons running around with their balls in their hand should warrant any concern by civilization on any level whatsoever.
“A woman will put up with a lot for that kind of income and security. She got over it and I think you should as well. It’s none of our business unless you think muscle bound goons running around with their balls in their hand should warrant any concern by civilization on any level whatsoever.”
It is my business when there are two sets of rules. For example:
If I were to get caught going 85 in a 70 zone I would get a big fine and points on my record. If I were a star athlete, it would be dismissed.
“If these guys break the law they should go through the criminal justice system like anyone else.”
The point is that they don’t go through the system like anyone else. There are two sets of rules.
Actually, the dude was doing 110 in a 70 and charges dismissed...
I told my lovely wife about this, and she'd never heard of it. No bias in the media, whatsoever.
I saw the video, too, and my interpretation was exactly the same as yours. My $0.02? He shouldn't have hit her, but she surely didn't help herself at all.
And, this is miles away from a helpless female being beaten by a sadistic male. The discussion, really, has little to do with the actual events.
Let the cops handle it...keep the damned NFL out of it...next they will start recommending school lunches.
I completely agree. She assaulted him, and he assaulted her back.
The difference in result is not a consequence of moral difference, it’s a result of the size/strength disparity.
IOW, they’re equally culpable morally. His superior size/strength and consequent moral responsibility to not use it against someone weaker is at least counter-balanced by her initiating the violence.
It’s a lot like those fights in bars. Two guys with too much alcohol and testosterone in their blood get into it. So which one is the perpetrator and which one the victim of the crime? Even Solomon would find it hard to figure out.
Given the evidence, I think the logical thing to do would be charge them both.
“Let the cops handle it...”
You mean let the cops cover it up?
” His superior size/strength and consequent moral responsibility to not use it against someone weaker is at least counter-balanced by her initiating the violence.”
Show that post to your wife?
Who do you email at ESPN?
Okay, I did. Then we watched the video again several time. Here's Mrs. Logan's response.
"The woman came at him. He backed up as far as he could in the elevator. She kept coming. You can't tell from the video if he used his fist or just swatted her away with his left hand. The real damage looks to have been done when her head bounced off the steel rail. Had he wanted to injure her, he surely could have done so while she was out on the floor."
"She's not going to be able to damage this man, and he over-reacted. She egged him on. He has every right to have charged her with assault. Just because an assault fails doesn't make it less of a crime."
"A man should not hit a women, but then a woman shouldn't hit a man. In preschool, we have to constantly teach the kids not to hit. These people are adults and both of them should have known better."
"Before they got onto the elevator she was swatting at him. She ran into the door while boarding. She, and possibly both of them, appear to have been drinking. A scenario for over-reaction."
I'm not excusing what he did, but then she shouldn't be excused either."
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