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Army worried too many white men lead combat units, racial diversity lacking
The Washington Times ^ | September 11, 2014 | Douglas Ernst

Posted on 09/11/2014 6:49:12 PM PDT by jazusamo

U.S. Army sociologists are worried that a lack of black officers leading its combat troops will have detrimental effect on minorities and lead to fewer black officers in top leadership posts.

“The issue exists. The leadership is aware of it,” Brig. Gen. Ronald Lewis told USA Today on Thursday. “The leadership does have an action plan in place. And it’s complicated.”

The Army reports that only 10 percent of its active-duty officers are black, which has contributed to its dearth of black officers leading soldiers with occupational specialties in infantry, armor and artillery.

“It certainly is a problem for several reasons,” Col. Irving Smith, director of sociology at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, told USA Today. “First we are a public institution. And as a public institution we certainly have more of a responsibility to our nation than a private company to reflect it...

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blackofficers; minorities; socialexperiments; usarmy
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To: jazusamo
“It certainly is a problem for several reasons,” Col. Irving Smith, director of sociology at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point...

Um, no, it's not.

101 posted on 09/12/2014 1:06:38 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Talisker

Jeez, don’t you know anything about statistics?

I was only making the point that if there were 13% black officers then they would be proportionally represented.

I think you were just hoping really hard that I was joking or being racist.


102 posted on 09/12/2014 3:04:18 AM PDT by DirtyPigpen (Semper Fi)
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To: jazusamo
Affirmative Action military.
What could go wrong?
103 posted on 09/12/2014 3:38:50 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: Don Corleone

My experience in RVN showed an inverse correlation between racial concerns and hostile fire. When the bullets flew; competence, not color, was the key factor.

No competent combat leader was fragged. The losers, however, were at risk regardless of skin tone.


104 posted on 09/12/2014 4:15:38 AM PDT by Makana
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To: centurion316
In my Navy (75-86) some of the hardest working sailors were black. Two in my aviation department were good friends who I would trust with my life and even hung out with one of them on liberty. The Navy was color blind at that time and may still be, as wells as the Corps (or is that corpse?). Don't know what the Army's problem is.

Someone hear recently claimed the term "culturalist" as his own creation. I have been that all my life and said so on this forum. I grew up in south Los Angeles area that had a mix of white, black, brown, and yellow. Other than the early thugs (of all races) we all got along and even partied with each other. However, since the LA Rodney King riot and the continuing victim status promoted by the socialists, I am now starting to re-consider...

105 posted on 09/12/2014 8:28:32 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

My own experience was that when the bullets were flying, the Army didn’t care and soldiers were the same. Problems were invariably in a peacetime garrison environment, after duty hours, and away from the unit.


106 posted on 09/12/2014 10:50:09 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: DirtyPigpen
Jeez, don’t you know anything about statistics? I was only making the point that if there were 13% black officers then they would be proportionally represented. I think you were just hoping really hard that I was joking or being racist.

And I repeat, how is skin color relevant to military leadership qualification?

107 posted on 09/12/2014 7:04:22 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

And I repeat, how is skin color relevant to military leadership qualification?

Who said it did?


108 posted on 09/13/2014 2:33:46 AM PDT by DirtyPigpen (Semper Fi)
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To: jazusamo

It’s a VOLUNTEER organization. If Black men are not volunteering, it’s no one’s fault but their own, if there are more white officers than black officers. Sounds like and excellent opportunity to start ‘recruiting’ young black men while in their middle school years, before the street has gotten hold of them.


109 posted on 09/13/2014 3:20:26 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: DirtyPigpen
Who said it did?

Is the subject matter of the article, genius.

110 posted on 09/15/2014 3:25:57 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Where in the article did it say that blacks or whites are better leaders?


111 posted on 09/15/2014 3:33:08 PM PDT by DirtyPigpen (Semper Fi)
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To: centurion316
"My own experience was that when the bullets were flying, the Army didn’t care and soldiers were the same. Problems were invariably in a peacetime garrison environment, after duty hours, and away from the unit."

Interestingly, during my Navy days we had the same camaraderie during around clock flight ops while the Soviets chased us or on liberty. Guess it was something about everyone living in confined spaces that made all get along, not to mention bullets not aimed at us.

My story when I decided to join the military at 25 and grow up: Didn't qualify for Air Force and really didn't care. Considered the Corps (corpse by obambi) and didn't want 2-3 years of boot camp, even though I still thought I was invincible. The Army was still full of a Judge decision "join or go to jail."

Growing up around the ocean (surfer), the Navy was a natural match for me. Even though relatively safe, I'm proud of every day I spent in the Navy, although the sea deployments got old and I left after 11 years, although I wanted to do my 20. My rating (MOS) was closing up and got a great offer to manage a small company.

Cool thing was on my first ship I was meritoriously advanced from E-4 to E-5. That's how serious I took my job on the flight deck. I was so bummmed that I couldn't re-enlist after 9/11 due to age. I even offered the local recruiting office to allow me to be their own "gopher/filer". Regs said no.

Even then, I became a Patriot Guard Rider against the cult of Westboro Babtist Church who would desecrate military funerals. Remember backing up my Harley with others to drown out their obscene chantings. PGR went on to honor with long processions to any fallen military or Veterans' funerals. Went to a couple funerals - tough to keep the eyes dry...I wasn't alone.

Thank you for your service, grunt. You guys on the ground have cojones the size of soft balls.

112 posted on 09/28/2014 10:51:26 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: jazusamo

10% of Army officers are black.

12.5% of the population is black.

Less than 1% of blacks graduate college, a requirement to be an officer.

Seems like blacks are over-represented as it is.


113 posted on 09/28/2014 11:12:23 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: DirtyPigpen

“They said blacks make up 13% of the US population. So, 13% of the officers should be black.”

Except how many blacks so much as finish high school? College graduation is required to be an officer.

Blacks at 10% of officers are already over-represented.


114 posted on 09/28/2014 11:13:39 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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