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Putin's Nuclear Option
Foreign Policy ^ | Sept 4, 2014 | Jeffrey Taylor

Posted on 09/06/2014 3:08:53 PM PDT by Sparklite

Would Putin commit suicide by letting his missiles fly against the United States? No. Rather, he would respond with a limited nuclear strike against a couple of European capitals -- not London or Paris, but smaller ones, presumably in Eastern European countries that have only recently joined NATO. Warsaw, against which Russia has already conducted a drill simulating a Russian nuclear attack, first comes to mind. Or, say, Vilnius, Lithuania's capital. The point is, Putin would bet on decision-makers in Washington, Berlin, London, and Paris not retaliating with nuclear weapons against Russia if it had "only" hit a city or two most Westerners have barely heard of -- and certainly do not want to die for.

The outcome of Putin's putative gambit is that NATO effectively capitulates. The alliance's credibility as guarantor of security for its member states would be utterly destroyed, as would U.S. hegemony, which largely rests on the threat of using force. Putin would then be free to do what he wanted in Ukraine and anywhere else he perceived Russia's interests to be threatened.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: nato; nuclear; putin; ukraine
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To: Sparklite

WTF is Putin doing stirring up this mess when civilization itself - including in Russia - is being threatened by ISIS?! What a fool.


41 posted on 09/06/2014 5:03:38 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Cry if I Wanna

That’s a long article but moderately good. Here’s the takeaway ...

In The Origins of Totalitarianism Hannah Arendt argues that totalitarian rule is truly possible only in countries that are large enough to be able to afford depopulation. The Soviet Union proved itself to be just such a country on at least three occasions in the twentieth century—teaching its citizens in the process that their lives are worthless.

Is it possible that this knowledge has been passed from generation to generation enough times that most Russians are now born with it and this is why they are born with a Bangladesh-level life expectancy? Is it also possible that other post-Soviet states, by breaking off from Moscow, have reclaimed some of their ability to hope, and this is why even Russia’s closest cultural and geographic cousins, such as Belarus and Ukraine, aren’t dying off as fast?

If so, Russia is dying of a broken heart—also known as cardiovascular disease.


42 posted on 09/06/2014 5:11:31 PM PDT by Sparklite
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To: Sparklite

Well, the golfer in chief (GICOTUS) has already thrown Poland under the bus. I’m pretty sure that’s why we’re witnessing what is going on in the Ukraine at present.


43 posted on 09/06/2014 5:12:28 PM PDT by Smellin Salt
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To: 2001convSVT

.....the scary part is that we have children pulling the leavers in our National Security Apparatus when we need the best and the brightest.

The US is in extreme peril right now exactly as General’s Vallely and McInerney say.


44 posted on 09/06/2014 5:14:09 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

my great great greats x’s 5 or 6 fought in the Carolinas
in the first great American war . They stood against Tarleton and Cornwallis . One of their worst challenges were the loyalists that believed in the Crown , at any cost . These blind loyalists ultimately lost everything and many left forever . Yet , in the end , now days we see these ‘radical revolutionaries ‘ as the saviors of our way of life . Very few see the Loyalists as contributors to what America went on to become . We are at such a crossroads again . WE are not going to make it if we just continue to cruise along , the ways things are . What is our nations future and continuance worth ? My great great had to ask himself that . I do , again today .


45 posted on 09/06/2014 5:16:32 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Sparklite

........Would Putin commit suicide by letting his missiles fly against the United States? No........

.........well, hmmmm.........not so fast!

Some would argue, me being one, that Putin has such a low/dismissive opinion of Obama, Biden, Reid, Rice, Brennan and Kerry (the top 6 decision makers) that he might mis-calculate!


46 posted on 09/06/2014 5:21:06 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: LeoWindhorse
You suggested deposing Obama.

That ain't revolution.

That's 3rd world actions.

I'm proud for your greats, and owe them a great debt.

That doesn't have anything to do with deposing a sitting president.

I've spent over 3 years deployed myself. And swore an oath to uphold the Constitution, which doesn't list deposing leaders in any part of it.

/johnny

47 posted on 09/06/2014 5:22:32 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ansel12

~Russia doesn’t have the capability to invade America, the Russian military is not what it was when it was the Soviet Union~

And what? You aren’t looking like a tinfoil hat individual to ever think someone in Russia is plotting to invade America.
In my opinion, forces are pretty much adequate to purpose right now.


48 posted on 09/06/2014 5:26:19 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: 2001convSVT
And what would the West do if Putin nuked Mecca and Medina?

I might open a bottle of sparkling wine, myself, and raise a toast to Russia.

/johnny

49 posted on 09/06/2014 5:46:56 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: wetphoenix

Not sure what you are trying to say with that gibberish, were you agreeing with my response to the guy talking about the inferior Russians invading the U.S., or disagreeing with me?


50 posted on 09/06/2014 5:53:39 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Gibberish, LOL. Do you believe Russia is planning to invade USA?


51 posted on 09/06/2014 6:00:00 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Sparklite

I find the idea that Putin would nuke a foreign city ridiculous.

A Muslim fanatic would nuke someplace before Putin would.

Putin is winning anyway in the current geopolitical politik. Why would he nuke something?

Additionally, has anyone noticed how so many of the computer interruptions now are suddenly being blamed on the Russians?

Smells fishy to me.

Obama’s “flexibility” is really working out well, isn’t it? < /sarcasm>


52 posted on 09/06/2014 6:14:42 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: JRandomFreeper

Sir thank you for your service to our country . having never served , I have never sworn that Oath . But lately it occurs to me that those that form the highest elements of our government today are not worthy of these Oaths that good men & women swear. They truly are not worth it . Regardless of what the UCMJ may say , the C&C should be worthy of the dedication shown to him . Can you honestly say this one is? It’s not a matter of one persons opinion over that of another . The overall performance , years of performance should be taken into account . This is the worst performance ever, in the most dangerous of times . At what point does ones oath over bear all that ? And what of his oath ? Do oaths only of those whom serve ‘under’ count ? Or those at the highest ? Where is the accountability for a thousand grave , and intentional , errors ? You & me ? We’d be in jail ....


53 posted on 09/06/2014 6:31:11 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: wetphoenix

Yes, what are you raving about?

I said Russia was incapable of such a thing, did you read the post that I was responding to?

I was correcting the poster who thought that Russia could.

I’m still mystified about how you got things so reversed.

Read post 34 again, it is pointing out the absurdity of thinking that the Russian mass murdering losers could do such a thing.

To: Avid Coug
Russia doesn’t have the capability to invade America, the Russian military is not what it was when it was the Soviet Union, all of their Warsaw Pact countries are in NATO now.

The old Soviet Union’s military was massive, 6 or 7 Airborne divisions, a huge number of Air Assault battalions and bridge building units and such, not today.

Today the Russian military is down from 6.3 million, to a total of 766,000 in all branches, and they lack the ability to launch great attack forces globally.

34 posted on 9/6/2014 4:37:16 PM by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation’s electorate for democrats)
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54 posted on 09/06/2014 6:33:08 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: LeoWindhorse
Deposing a sitting president is not only unlawful and unconstitutional, it's wrong.

That's not how this political arrangement works, that we call the United States.

/johnny

55 posted on 09/06/2014 6:35:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ansel12

Russian force is not inferior, it is right adequate to a task which is not about invading America.
That’s my point. I’m in no way missing a 7 million force and Empire of commie satellite nations.


56 posted on 09/06/2014 6:36:57 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Sparklite
.. limited nuclear strike against a couple of European capitals -- not London or Paris, but smaller ones, presumably in Eastern European countries that have only recently joined NATO.

How to become a worse monster than Hitler or Stalin in two quick steps. Putin the Terrible.

57 posted on 09/06/2014 6:39:47 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Avid Coug
"There is a very common “prophecy” out there that says Russia invades Canada and the USA from a fog shrouded base near the Arctic."

Russia dispatches naval force to reopen Arctic base


58 posted on 09/06/2014 6:41:44 PM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: JRandomFreeper

you’re right , the term depose , which I misused , more refers to an Imperial or ‘royal’ monarchical type of governmental administration.

How about ‘ impeach ‘ ?


59 posted on 09/06/2014 6:42:08 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: wetphoenix

You should have been posting to post 29, instead you got things totally reversed and confusedly came after me.

The murdering but inferior Russians, are NOT going to invade the U.S., nor any other powerful nations.


60 posted on 09/06/2014 6:53:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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