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'The Chinese fired at my aircraft' (former Indian pilots)
The Daily Mail, UK ^ | September 5, 2014 | GAUTAM DUTT

Posted on 09/05/2014 9:45:00 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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To: Darksheare
A pilot friend of mine once told me "if it (plane) looks nice, it flies nice".

Is it really so?

21 posted on 09/05/2014 10:28:06 PM PDT by DTA
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To: GeronL

From what I heard, not the only thing it knocked out.
The sound of the supersonic prop could damage your hearing rather effectively.
The sonic boom from that prop also knocked a man down, among other things.

Only the tu-95 was louder.


22 posted on 09/05/2014 10:29:36 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee! First one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: DTA

To some degree.
Then there is what the aircraft is being used for.
Not being a pilot myself, I have heard differing definitions of “nice flying”.
One being whether it was a nice dogfighter.
The other, if it behaved well enough to fly from point a to point b without trying to take detours.
(Fw-190 had a nasty habit of kicking out from turns in later versions with the higher power BMW 801 engines and the jumo 213 engines. So you would be in a tight turn and find that your aircraft had different ideas.)
Some aircraft look odd, long eze, channelwing, berkut 360.
Supposedly nice planes.
But not suited for what some people are looking for.


23 posted on 09/05/2014 10:40:12 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee! First one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

lol

sonic boom, sitting still on the ground!


24 posted on 09/05/2014 10:40:35 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

At idle no less.
Constant mach prop.


25 posted on 09/05/2014 10:42:14 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee! First one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

dang.

I hope the pilot was a sturdy fellow.


26 posted on 09/05/2014 10:50:56 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

They were forced to tow it out into the middle of nowhere to do engine run up.
And the visible shockwaves spread laterally.
Wish I could find good video of that, no finding what im looking for on oootoob.
Some minor reading on it, interesting aircraft, if a bit impractical.


27 posted on 09/05/2014 10:56:11 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee! First one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare
Expensive lawn ornament if you are getting your butt kicked, but their choice. I can see it if they were still too new in their training with the jet.

Seems like one Mig-21 could wipe out a lot of F-86s with one flight. Would have been interesting regardless, like the Mig-15/17 against the F-4.

28 posted on 09/05/2014 10:57:25 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69

Agreed.
I think cost might have also played a small part, not certain on that.


29 posted on 09/05/2014 11:01:49 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee! First one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

sounds like a beast


31 posted on 09/06/2014 12:10:18 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: F15Eagle

bump


32 posted on 09/06/2014 12:12:46 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

The ‘Screech was.
They couldn’t overcome torque and stability issues, so it got shelved.
Somewhere it was mentioned that the noise it made caused headaches and “mental fugues”.


33 posted on 09/06/2014 12:17:54 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee! First one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

Wow, and who knows what the long term problems it could have caused for pilots and ground crews.

I read somewhere it shorted out radar towers, but that might have been someone being dumb.


34 posted on 09/06/2014 12:26:46 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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Well, our F-15 pilots who flew long term near Tu-95’s often complained of vision issues, hearing, headaches, etc.
I can’t imagine sitting “inside” it like in the ‘Screech.

Most modern aircraft are quieter, thankfully so.
Unless its a howling F-104 with a J-79 engine.


35 posted on 09/06/2014 12:33:20 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee! First one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: GeronL

The big development was the swept wing. Notice that neither of these pre-surrender planes had a swept wing. The only reason that either went active was that the Navy required very low landing speeds for a carrier trap and without a lot of airflow modifiers a swept wing plane is going too fast.


36 posted on 09/06/2014 12:48:47 AM PDT by jonascord (Laeti vescimur nos subacturis)
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To: jonascord

which also led to developments in the aircraft business to slow a plane down in the air, right?


37 posted on 09/06/2014 10:10:59 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Darksheare

At east the Tu-95 pilots weren’t right next to the engine like in the Thunderscreech. Probably why the Tu-95 could go into production.


38 posted on 09/06/2014 10:12:18 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: doorgunner69
Be interesting to know how Pakistan used the F-104. There is a plane of much promise, but little operational employment as far as I know

During the 1965 war with India, the PAF F-104s flew 246 sorties, including 42 at night and claimed four IAF aircraft destroyed for the loss of two F-104As. Two F-104As were delivered from Taiwan as attrition replacements following the 1965 war.

The 102 is a misprint. the PAF actually had 12.

39 posted on 09/06/2014 10:49:06 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Wikipedia is wrong. who knew?)
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