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Sen. Coburn: Let’s change Constitution
The Hill ^ | 9/3/2014 | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 09/03/2014 3:52:11 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: markomalley

Anyone who thinks an Article V convention wouldn’t be absolutely and completely hijacked by progressives in both parties is living in a dream world.


21 posted on 09/03/2014 6:45:16 AM PDT by zeugma (The act of observing disturbs the observed.)
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To: cripplecreek
Overturn Wickard v. Filburn. That decision has done more to allow the Feds to interfere with the states and the everyday life of citizens than anything else I can think of. The Commerce Clause should be limited to actual true interstate commerce, not any activity that could POSSIBLY affect interstate commerce in some nebulous indefinite way...

Also, clarify the General Welfare clause so we can get rid of so many of the wasteful programs that have been justified by that mis-applied phrase.

22 posted on 09/03/2014 6:55:29 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: zeugma
Anyone who thinks an Article V convention wouldn’t be absolutely and completely hijacked by progressives in both parties is living in a dream world.

BUMP. This is a bad, bad idea. It opens up a Pandora's Box.

I refuse to be convinced otherwise, the opinions of Mark Levin, Tom Coburn, and Freepers notwithstanding.

23 posted on 09/03/2014 6:57:54 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: zeugma
Ya think? They already have a plan for a Article V convention as well.

Wolf-PAC


24 posted on 09/03/2014 6:58:54 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: wolfman23601
Good idea, but no matter how they amend the constitution, the courts are going to make up whatever they want it to say anyway.

That's another idea for an amendment. Eliminate life tenure for federal judges, including SCOTUS. Make the terms of office for 15 or 20 years, and they cannot be reappointed to the same level of the court. So they could serve one term at the district court level, one term at the court of appeals (if they were appointed), and one term at SCOTUS, if appointed. That would be it.

And at the same time, prohibit the federal courts from creating laws by imposing their own solutions on us. If the court overturns a law or a part of a law, it must go back to Congress if it is to be changed - otherwise the law ceases to exist. The court cannot change the law to make it work (by calling a fine a tax, for example).

25 posted on 09/03/2014 7:03:17 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: markomalley

Don’t be fooled by this carpola. The GOP has controlled both houses of Congress off and on for many years. They could have cut the size of government as much as they wanted. They didn’t want to. GW Bush could have closed every govt agency that was created by an Executive Order. Instead he came up with the prescription drug program and increased the size and scope of government.

Have you noticed how good the Republicans are at voting en masse for new government power grabs but seemingly helpless to reduce the size of govt?

If we take back the Senate in November and elect a Republican in 2016 they can cut the government back as much as they want.


26 posted on 09/03/2014 7:21:11 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: zeugma; Constitution Day; TomGuy
<>Anyone who thinks an Article V convention wouldn’t be absolutely and completely hijacked by progressives in both parties is living in a dream world.<>

Not true. The states won't send representatives with carte blanche authority to do as they wish. They will send delegates, with specific commissions that limit their powers.

27 posted on 09/03/2014 7:24:03 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: hillarys cankles

The only worthwhile amendments are structural, like returning the states to the senate, term limits, sunsetting of laws and legislative pre-approval of all administrative regulations. These are the sort that cannot be corrupted, and only under such changes is there a chance our freedoms can be restored.


28 posted on 09/03/2014 7:26:53 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Albion Wilde
There should be a provision to publicly execute any person that violates or conspires to violate the God-given rights of individuals and businesses which are specifically enumerated in the U.S. Constitution.

I suggest public, upside-down naked crucifixions at halftime during Monday Night Football.

29 posted on 09/03/2014 8:07:28 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Jacquerie
 

Not true. The states won't send representatives with carte blanche authority to do as they wish. They will send delegates, with specific commissions that limit their powers.

You mean like the fellows who sent delegates to tweak the Articles of Confederation?

Once you have a ConCon in session, there is nothing you can do to stop it.

AmP

30 posted on 09/03/2014 9:04:04 AM PDT by zeugma (The act of observing disturbs the observed.)
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To: zeugma
You mean like the fellows who sent delegates to tweak the Articles of Confederation?

Which delegates violated their commissions?

ConCon is for dumbdumbs

31 posted on 09/03/2014 9:09:58 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
... The GOP has controlled both houses of Congress off and on for many years. They could have cut the size of government as much as they wanted. They didn’t want to. GW Bush could have closed every govt agency that was created by an Executive Order. Instead he came up with the prescription drug program and increased the size and scope of government.

Have you noticed how good the Republicans are at voting en masse for new government power grabs but seemingly helpless to reduce the size of govt? ...

Exactly right. Republicans had both houses of congress as well as the presidency when GW Bush was in office. What we got were illegal incandescent lightbulbs. I have no reason to believe we'd get anything different the next time around.

32 posted on 09/03/2014 9:13:06 AM PDT by poindexters brother
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To: Rodamala
There should be a provision to publicly execute any person that violates or conspires to violate the God-given rights of individuals and businesses which are specifically enumerated in the U.S. Constitution. I suggest public, upside-down naked crucifixions at halftime during Monday Night Football.

While I understand your anger, I disagree with your solution. For treason, a firing squad will do.

33 posted on 09/03/2014 10:05:40 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("LEX REX." ("The law is the king.") -- Samuel Rutherford)
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To: poindexters brother

“Exactly right. Republicans had both houses of congress as well as the presidency when GW Bush was in office. What we got were illegal incandescent lightbulbs. I have no reason to believe we’d get anything different the next time around.”

Yes and its somewhat likely we will take back the Senate and then the Presidency in 2016. Raise your hand if you believe the Republicans will shutter even one rogue agency of this bloated evil behemoth of a bureaucracy. Do you think they will shut down the EPA, Dept of Energy, Dept of Educ, HUD, BLM?

I predict the new Republican majority will implement immigration reform/amnesty, fail to secure the border, extend the Patriot Act, fail to demilitarize the govt agencies and keep the TSA with their hands down your pants.

The new GOP globalists will likely have to repeal O’Care as it is crumbling under its own weight.

Paul Ryan will be in charge of the budget so tax reform will consist of “closing the loopeholes” which is progressive speak for raising your individual taxes whilst telling you they are lowering the tax rate. You will still pay more. No Fair Tax for you. You didn’t really think the GOP was going to let go of that easy peasy way to just take your money before it ever goes in your pocket did you?

Muslims will still pour into the country building their mega mosques in every city.

When Dubya got elected the first time I was ecstatic. I thought well in 8 years he will be able to do fabulous things like real tax reform yada, yada, yada. Instead he began to erect a police state, bulk up the bureaucracy and take us to war in Iraq.

I’m going to go vote in Nov and in 2016 and hope I’m wrong but who thinks I will be?


34 posted on 09/03/2014 12:12:58 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: markomalley

Coburn is wrong. The flaw is not in the Constitution but in failure to follow the clear words of that document. Replacing those words with new words will not solve the problem that liberals are lawless and do not mind violating the Constitution. However, a convention poses the danger of producing a bogus and illegitimate “Constitution” that strips us of legal protection for our God-given rights.


35 posted on 09/03/2014 12:40:07 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: markomalley

Reverse the Kelo decision.

Need an ammendment to limit the power of the government to seize property under “eminent domain”.

Property may NOT be seized to increase a tax base.


36 posted on 09/03/2014 1:07:36 PM PDT by kidd
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To: markomalley
A foolish effort.

The current problem is having the federal government follow the constitution as it is written. We have to fix that before any change to words on paper will have any meaning.

If we can't stop the left in their continual degradation of the meaning of the current constitution, any new constitution will also fail.

This is a risky roll of the dice. The conservatives can't win on relatively small stuff, like eliminating the Dept of Education, but think they can control a constitutional convention? Not one chance in hell.

What this gives the left is one big chance to stuff the election box and win it all.

37 posted on 09/03/2014 5:07:32 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: 5thGenTexan; AllAmericanGirl44; Amagi; Art in Idaho; Arthur Wildfire! March; Arthur McGowan; ...

Article V ping.


38 posted on 09/03/2014 5:10:32 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Publius; Jacquerie

Thanks for the ping.
I am behind this 100%.
...but there are a lot of doofusses out there, and
... there is a lot of ejumacating that needs to be done.


39 posted on 09/03/2014 5:15:46 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: katana

If the political class won’t respect and obey the Constitution we have what on Earth makes anyone think they’d pay attention to a revised version? The machine isn’t broken and doesn’t need fixing, but the operators need to be replaced with new ones who are at least willing to follow the instruction manual.


Exactly!


40 posted on 09/03/2014 5:23:27 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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