Posted on 08/27/2014 8:07:52 AM PDT by Kaslin
Dutchboy88, please explain why SWAT is used to arrest someone who skipped a bench warrant for drug use. Not dealing, use only. For this we need eight officers, two dogs and a MRAP vehicle. When the officers show up at the wrong address at 4AM, bust in the front door while other officer toss in a few flash bangs, everybody walks away from the mess holding their heads high in the air as if they have actually accomplished something to be proud of.
There’s no concern by the officers for the broken household they caused, no concern for the dead husband who was trying to protect his family, no concern that the kids will never trust another cop in their lives, with damn good reason I might add.
Why do you think you deserve community respect and heaven forbid that you should die during a high speed chase, a heroes funeral parade?
A surreptitious camera placed in the vicinity of the home with a monitor back at the dispatchers desk could maintain an eye on the suspects vehicle and front door. Local officers could then perform a common traffic stop, arrest the suspect and take him to jail.
No 4AM storm trooper tactics are ever needed to arrest anyone.
Let me add this Paine, given only those two hypothetical scenarios I would still choose the latter. Without police me and my neighbors would at least have a chance to defend ourselves against the mobs without the threat of state retribution. The police state with it's courts, jails, and badged thugs is a whole different animal.
A very effective rhetorical analogy, both ways.
Why is it that we never hear of SWAT teams raiding a residence in section 8 housing, or well-known gang hangouts ?
No Knock = No Daddy coming home!
Re: “The unseemly eagerness of many police officers to dress up and act like soldiers.”
In my town, east of Seattle, a cop with 10 years experience gets paid more than a first year Army major.
And, I’ll speculate that the average cop is engaged in violent hand-to-hand combat each year more often than the average Army major.
Au contraire, my FRiend. It is you who have no middle ground. Hold them guilty for mistakes. Prison for errors. But, you may have an occupation in which your errors are abided; you get forgiven for your screw-ups. But, your justice is swift and harsh...for the other guy. True is the saying, "We judge others on their actions, but we judge ourselves on our intentions." Of course there could be some reasonable boundaries, but re-read your post...the guillotine awaits their errors.
Then I can suggest a few places you may wish to move and have that beautiful arrangement. The rest of us normal folks would like the police to stay on duty.
Then, as I said, move to one of the countries that fits your perspective and leave America to those of us who are not antinomian.
Boundaries without penalties are no boundaries at all. Penalties paid by the victim or by the taxpayer are no penalties at all. Cops and judges must bear some personal burden when their foulups cause loss of life, limb or property or this stuff will only get more out of hand.
And I said nothing about guillotines. I suggest you change your screen name to Strawman; that seems to be your favored form of argumentation.
I doubt moral laws have entered into your mind if you support storm trooper tactics against common citizens who have yet to stand before a judge.
I noticed that you skipped over the other questions I asked your opinion of. Don’t worry I will not be reading anymore of your postings.
When I make a mistake at my job, no one dies. There is no destruction of property. I, and my company acknowledge it and we bend over backwards to correct it. When a cop messes up, people die. Innocent people.
And hardly anyone ever goes to jail for that foul up. No one is accountable. There is a settlement, but the idiotic walking gun gets to go back to work like nothing ever happened. In my world, you screw up and kill someone, your entire department loses their police pension, to be given to the family of the innocent person that was killed, and you go to jail forever. The loss should be as devestating to the police department as it is to the family.
In the event of no loss of life if the idiots get the wrong house, the invading cops are personally liable for damage. No taxpayer money goes to it. If those cops lose their homes, so be it.
When I make a mistake at my job, no one dies. There is no destruction of property. I, and my company acknowledge it and we bend over backwards to correct it. When a cop messes up, people die. Innocent people.
And hardly anyone ever goes to jail for that foul up. No one is accountable. There is a settlement, but the idiotic walking gun gets to go back to work like nothing ever happened. In my world, you screw up and kill someone, your entire department loses their police pension, to be given to the family of the innocent person that was killed, and you go to jail forever. The loss should be as devestating to the police department as it is to the family.
In the event of no loss of life if the idiots get the wrong house, the invading cops are personally liable for damage. No taxpayer money goes to it. If those cops lose their homes, so be it.
I simply indicated that given only the two hypothetical extremes, the wild west is preferable to the killing fields. I expressed no desire for either extreme to exist in my country. You are the one who came up with the absurd premise that personal accountability for cops will lead to robbery, assault, animal cruelty, and muslim sex slavery. I wouldn't cling to tightly to the idea you are "normal."
Who but a deranged thinker would conclude that there were two extremes from which to choose? I certainly did not come up with your paradigm. So, go have your fantasy. Go to the place you envision where you defend your family from the mobs without any help. Line up your guns with your monstrous neighbors breaking in the doors, but no one to help. Get the ammo, break out the MREs and live your dream...somewhere else, please.
I'm sorry, I missed the part where you said you too wanted to go to jail when you screwed up. You want to be "accountable" in some rather severe manner, so it really hurts when you screw up. You wanted your home to be taken and given to the vendor you made the mistake on. Or you want a "devastating" loss to be suffered by you and your family when you made a mistake. Please be specific here. We want to read about that same high standard of suffering you endure that you expect from the cops. I missed that part of your ridiculous post.
Good. Responding to prattle from unthinking, angry, self-righteous posters wastes my time. Go picket in Ferguson with your buddies...Sharpton is calling.
I answered your rhetoric with rhetoric of my own, nothing more. Your attempt to paint me as some sort of radical anarchist is simply dishonest and I see you trying to twist the words of others on this thread as well. Further engagement with you is pointless.
Well, one partially honest statement...
Next time, try lithium.
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